The teenage abortion issue

I have two daughters. I also have a view :) BBC Story

The High Court was told that Mrs Axon, 50, regretted undergoing a termination herself 20 years ago which caused her “guilt, shame and depression”.

Never ever impose your guilt and negative feelings on others. You will make out that it is for their benefit – you lie. It is trying to make you feel better about you. It’s ego. Don’t.

“It is incongruous to me that I am required to have to consent to my daughter having her belly button pierced while she can have an abortion without me even knowing.”

If a girl under 16 has not only got pregnant (which would indicate some sort of parental failure already) but has also then taken herself to the GP or an Advisory Clinic, and then discussed and agreed to a termination, then maybe they do not want you to know ? They will have been scared – yet not turned to you. That says a lot more about you than it does them.

“Her contention is much more modest. She merely says that as a matter of law she has the right to be notified – in shorthand, the case is about ‘the right to know’.”

Crap crap crap – she’d then run screaming to the courts to stop it saying that the daughter did not know what she had consented to. How about “Telling you after” – but that wouldn’t be good enough would it ?

Why is it that when parents say JUMP kids should do as they are told but when kids say LOOK they know nothing and must be told the error of their ways ?

The current guidelines infringed her parental rights under the European Convention on Human Rights, he told the judge.

I am sick and tired of this Human Rights rubbish. Aren’t you ??

Mrs Axon said she believed parents should be involved because “difficult discussions strengthen family life”.

I shall reveal the real meaning: “Mrs Axon said she thought her children should do as she said, not as she did and there would be hell to pay if they disagreed”.

The guidance deprived parents of the opportunity to advise their children and the child herself of the benefit of such advice, he added.

See that word in there ? advise. Implies discussion, agreeing to disagree. So the girl listens, talks and says “I’m keeping the child” – Mother agrees because child has seen the error of their ways and has consented to the pregnancy. But if the girl listens, talks and says “It’s going” then all of a sudden the child is incapable of rational thought and the full weight of the Law would be brought to bear by the mother. Can’t win can she – you really are determined to wreck her life even more aren’t you ?

From The Telegraph:

Mrs Axon stresses that her own teenage daughters Joy, 15, and Amber, 13, have not sought abortions and that she is bringing the case “as a matter of principle”.

Ahh……. this is one of those “I wannabe in the papers” things isn’t it ?

Mrs Axon – do not impose your views on me and mine. I won’t accept it from Tom “improving the Human Condition with every shiny-white smile” Cruise, so I’ll be damned if I’m taking it from you.

54 thoughts on “The teenage abortion issue

  1. Sadly, people like that think the morning after pill is the same as having an abortion Joss. In fact I heard Mrs Axon talking about something she’d heard about a schoolgirl taking the pill in a toilet and hemmorhaging (or however it’s spelt) almost immediately after. This makes me think it’s some chinese whispers story or urban myth passed around by the anti-abortion nutters trying to use her as some sort of spokewoman.

    They’ve obviously got some sort of communication problem at home; if I’d have got pregnant before 16, I wouldn’t have told my parents, but then I didn’t tell them about anything. There are some things that parents don’t need to know…

  2. Joss – contraception is a completely different issue, as is the morning-after pill. Contraception is the subject of different legislation (Gillick ?) and while girls under 16 may want contraception to prevent pregnancy there are also genuine medical reasons why that girl would need to take it – parental consent or not.

    This action by Mrs Axon sounds like something that came up at the family dinner table and it has snowballed since – fuelled by who knows ?

  3. That’s really unfair, do you have kids? Do you have any idea how your parents would react if you wanted to have an abortion? Have you discussed their view on it.

    Believe it or not, parents are not the ogers teenages believe them to be, they are people to, and 99% of them are reasonable human beings, who love you and want to keep you safe. If you get pregnant as a teenager you are not “safe” either way, you can have the abortion and suffer HUGE (and believe me t is huge) emotional, and possibly physical implications (its under general anisthetic, people DIE under general anisthetic, imagine your mum being told that you had died during an opperation she had not even concented to you having!).

    Like you pointed out, you have to get your parents permission to get your belly button peirced, which compared to having an abortion is nothing.

    I am not a parent, but I have grown up enough to understand what they do for us and that they are infact people (just like teachers infact). When will you grow up?

  4. I have a little girl and I’m raising her by myself I didn’t need to have a abortion to have a career I have one now with her I’m finishing high school and taking a college course so its not one girl out there can say they can’t take care of a child because you can if didin’t won’t one you should of never laid down and had sex in the first place that’s how I put if you like or not I don’t really care but just to let know we getting through it all by ourselves if you won’t to know.

  5. Well,I agree with Sherry and I blame the girls who don’t listen to thier parents and do sex behind them without their permission, because after they become pregnant they start saying that they are still young girls, who are studying and need to have future, that’s why they cannot look after children now and the only think that i want to ask them is what about the babies they are pregnant with?, they don’t have a future like other children?, then why they kill them and don’t keep them,if they had a sex? it is not fear to kill babies, because it is not their fault of becoming a pregnant, it is the girl’s fault, who had a sex and again like Sherry said “there isn’t a girl in the wolrd cannot look after a child, because one day they will have to do that and take alot of responsibilities,like it or don’t like it, because it is a job that all the women in this world have to do it, no matter what they do in the live”.

  6. I think that abortion is wrong and that those who can have sex should carry the responsibilities that come with it. You are a murderer if you chose to terminate the pregnancy due to anything other than medical. Whose to say you can use abortion in the future if you cannot be safe as just an easy way out. think about that.

  7. i think that if a child is going to lay down in a bed and open their legs with out using protection knowing the result is going to be having a child then they shouldnt get an abortion they should deal with wat they created …

  8. I think anybody who gets an abortion is a murder. Unless of one case. The baby could kill the mom. that is the only way i think abortion is ok. well not ok but acceptable. i know a girl who got 2 abortions because she wasnt done partying. how fucked up is that??? i hope she goes to hell. and i mean it. i just found out i was pregnant im only 19. But i am married and have my own place. now if my lil sister got pregnant (shes only 15) i think she should have the baby and deal with her actions. i know my mom would help her. i think most moms/dads will help thier young daughters. and if not the mother/father is not a good parent.

  9. hee hee, anyone notice all the spelling mistakes in the posts from the pregnant people and the people against abortion….seems to be a common link there. I’m 21, and I’m pregnant and I’m going to have an abortion. I’m not telling my parents, because there isn’t much point, I am an adult, (so maybe this doesn’t relate much to the original thread, but I’m just angry at the dumb people out there) and they have no need or right to know. I love them very much, but I don’t know everything about their lives, as I respect their privacy, and they respect mine, I know they are prochoice, and I can do this myself without them being disappointed. I feel sad for being in this position, yes I did have sex, I also used the contraceptive pill and condoms in combination. 21 may be an ok age to have children for some people, but I am a student and have three more years of my course to go. I have no money, and cannot provide a child with everything it deserves. so far the embryo depends on me, and so its not actually a life on its own. honestly, if you look at the deffinitions of a virus and bacteria, a fetus is more comparable to a virus as it can’t survive without a host. if my baby was further along, I would view it as murder, but at this stage it is not. it is a bunch of cells, with no nervous system, no heart beat, and no organs. you may go on about the ‘potential for life’ there, but actually, lots of things have potential. for example, a match lying on a surface has the potential to be lit and create fire, but if its not lit, it’s still just a match. nothing more. I know my baby won’t feel the abortion. it won’t even know it was alive. and I also know one day I will be blessed with children who I will be able to keep and who I will be able to care for and give them everything they deserve. unless you are blessed with a situation that means you don’t even have to consider abortion, or with a family that is prolife and will support you keeping the baby and a situation that allows you to carry on with the pregnancy, don’t even think about judging us. its hard enough as it is without you putting you’re two cents in and making us feel worse. and for everything you say, just know you will not change one mind out there, when every lady finds out she is pregnant she knows deep down what she will do. and you can’t change it. you can post nasty things about me now, but you can’t make me feel worse than I do, and you will never have the right to tell me what I can and can’t do and whether I am going to hell or not. only God decides that, and that is between me and him, none of you. so don’t waste your breath.

  10. mark, you have no idea how much your comment means. for someone who doesn’t know me to just look at my situation and not tell me I’m wrong and silly means the world. I’m not a bad person, just a normal person in an unfortunate situation. thank you

  11. Shona – what some people are failing to realise is that the whole point of this post was that one person said what another wanted to do was wrong. The mother wanted others to behave as she saw fit. She wanted to impose her view. She wanted to control.
    That is completely wrong.

    Having views is fine, but seeking to control like this is not.

    It’s all about making your own choices based on everything going on in your life. The only person who can do that is you.

  12. also i think that if a parent was to decide t give a baby up for abortion it shouldn’t be correct because if the parent didn’t want the baby she should just probably think back when she was a kid and she probably had a baby at the age of 13-18 and she just probably don’t want her daughter to end up like her

  13. THINK!
    Why aren’t you telling your parents? Fear maybe? Fear of knowing that THEY know you better than any other person on this earth (whether you want to admit that or not) and will try and knock some commonsense into your thick skulls! You are KILLING a baby, a human …. your child …. Is that as simple as ‘sex at 2:00 done at 5:00’?
    As for the comment about the grammer/spelling skills of the pregnant and keeping verse the pregnant and abortion … Could that be due to the immaturity and stupidity of the mom’s to be???

    Don’t be dumb … Talk to someone other than your ‘friends’ who won’t tell you what you want to hear, rather someone who will tell you what you NEED to hear.

  14. i think if you dont want to tell your parents then you don’t have to. some teenager girls don’t know how their parents would react. some teenager girls have very close parents who they can trust and tell them anything and won’t get critize for it. but then theres other parents who freak out about everything like my mum and then theres parents who beat teenagers up for the littiest thing they do. for me being 16 when i fall pregant when i was 13, my mum was a alcoholic and abusive and my boyfriend beat me up i had an abortion because i didnt have the courage to bring a child up and let it get hurt and i didnt want to bring it up with the way i was treated. i do regret it but you just going to have to think about the rights and wrong things that will happen with your baby and how your going to keep it safe.
    dont listen to what people have to say do whats best for you kia kaha be strong

  15. Shona:

    “unless you are blessed with a situation that means you don’t even have to consider abortion, or with a family that is prolife and will support you keeping the baby and a situation that allows you to carry on with the pregnancy, don’t even think about judging us. its hard enough as it is without you putting you’re two cents in and making us feel worse. and for everything you say, just know you will not change one mind out there, when every lady finds out she is pregnant she knows deep down what she will do. and you can’t change it. you can post nasty things about me now, but you can’t make me feel worse than I do, and you will never have the right to tell me what I can and can’t do and whether I am going to hell or not. only God decides that, and that is between me and him, none of you. so don’t waste your breath.”

    -I’m not going to fight with you about your postion and situation with your child, however this is a forum and I am going to speak my mind and tell you what I feel you need to hear. I grew up in home being raped, having to drop out of school when I was 16 to work full time to pay bills and had a brother pass away when I was really young… I am angry at the fact that people would say rude or hurtful things to you about your decision to abort your baby and this is NOT what I am trying to accomplish. I am a girl who from the affects of having an abortion (due to the fact that my uncle who raped me, got me pregnant) is now … struggling … and wants to tell you what NO ONE took the time to tell me when I was pregnant and did the only thing I knew I could do. I had no money, hell I didn’t even have hot water since my parents opted for beer and joints rather than paying bills. Read this, or don’t it’s not going to affect me eirther way but I just need you to know!

    “so far the embryo depends on me, and so its not actually a life on its own.”

    -Your 100% correct on the embryo not being able to survive on its own, but then again can a 1 month old baby survive once it’s out of the womb without you? A 8 month old? What about a 2 year old? Can they survive without some sort of guidance and support???

    “if my baby was further along, I would view it as murder, but at this stage it is not. it is a bunch of cells, with no nervous system, no heart beat, and no organs. you may go on about the ‘potential for life’ there, but actually, lots of things have potential. for example, a match lying on a surface has the potential to be lit and create fire, but if its not lit, it’s still just a match.”

    -If you know your pregnant (which is typically around the 5 week mark {starting from the day of your first period}) the baby has a HEARTBEAT… (http://www.pregnancy.org/pregnancy/fetaldevelopment1.php#week1 is a graet reference)

    “I have no money, and cannot provide a child with everything it deserves.”

    -As far as money goes, does that mean that a homeless person should give up because they will never get a chance at another meal? That someone will never lend a helping hand? Or what about the option of giving a family the oppertunity of having the GREATEST blessing any person could ever ask for? Something that I can GUARENTEE a person out there is crying about right now because they can’t concieve and that is something they want more than anything in the world, more than life itself…. (I am that person)

    “and I also know one day I will be blessed with children who I will be able to keep and who I will be able to care for and give them everything they deserve.”

    – Abortion can cause weakness of the neck of the womb (incompetent cervix). This is more likely if termination occurs after 11 to 12 weeks gestation … CAN affect your chance of ever having kids again. (This was around the same answer my doctor gave me on why I can’t concieve now….)

  16. @bella:

    Talk to someone other than your ‘friends’ who won’t tell you what you want to hear, rather someone who will tell you what you NEED to hear.

    No, that is the whole point of my post. What you are saying is that she needs to hear what you want her to hear – and that’s wrong. If we are not in someone’s position then we don’t really have the right to judge them.
    Would you want someone judging aspects of your life?

  17. Mark:

    “If we are not in someone’s position then we don’t really have the right to judge them.
    Would you want someone judging aspects of your life?”

    I was in her position, I know what I talking about BECAUSE I WAS THERE… I made it clear in my second post that I am NOT judging anyone … I am simply talking. No one took the time to tell me what I NEEDED TO HEAR and that was that there is ALWAYS other options, your friends don’t always tell you want you need to hear and that you NEED TO TALK TO SOMEONE who cares and is in the right mind set. A 15 year old giving another 15 year old advice is a far cry from a 30 or 40 year old giving them advice. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying our parents are the best people to give us advice.. I’m just saying LOOK.
    Go ahead, judge me… if I need someone to smack me in the face every once and while if they feel I need it, DO IT. Otherwise if you don’t want people talking to you about it, don’t post your issues/problems/thoughts online where the whole world can read it and give their 2 cents …. That’s commonsense!

  18. Amy:
    Your completely clueless and your comments are the reason people committ suicide and are depressed …. You make people feel worthless.

    From what you are saying women need to LIVE with their actions simply because they made a wrong choice reguardless of the circumstance. So based on what you are saying if you get raped… your screwed and you feel that I ‘should’ go to hell if I abort the baby? The bible is very clear about a sin being a sin and NO SIN IS WORSE THAN ANOTHER. Killing a baby or lying to your parents is the same in GODS EYES. THE ONLY EYES THAT MATTER and only God will decide what happens from there… based on your judgement of others (which is also something the bible is clear about not being right) I hope YOU go to hell ….
    doesn’t feel good does it?

  19. girls shouldnt open thier legs when they kno there not gonna take care of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!babys are not a mistake its up 2 the person if u want 2 have sex!!!!!!!!!!so if your not going 2 tak care of the baby dont open your legs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  20. some people are saying nasty things which makes girls going through the situation feel depressed and do stupid things like suicide…you never know who it could happen to so don’t judge…all i want to say is that you should truly think through your decision and make the right choice.

  21. I’m 15 and 9weeks pregnant with my first baby. From the beginning I never considerd abortion and I never will. How can soemone kill their child someone theat they themselves made. It’s murder and no one should even consider hurting or killing their baby.

  22. i got pregnant at a young age i was only 12 now i am 24 and have settaled down and had a lovley littel boy i will not regreat my dession that i made but i am not glad that i done it but i done it for the best!!!!
    my parents still dont no and never will…

  23. Abortion would be neither a “moral dilemma” nor a question of murder if people stopped framing the abortion issue in moral terms.
    Abortion should instead be viewed as a sometimes necessary choice a woman must make in order to be in charge of her life.
    Why should someone else’s beliefs dictate another person’s happiness?
    Every child should be a wanted child

  24. Having an abortion should only be used in situations of rape/abuse or when it would kill the mother. I am almost six months prego and looked into having an abortion when I found out. What they do is awful and by the time most women find out the baby has a heartbeat, no matter what you think it is alive and it is a human. I love my child already I gave up school and my freedom to have this baby because it is a gift from God. I am so happy I decided to keep it and no matter what I will raise it to the best of my abilites. No one is ever ready for a baby but when it comes it comes. You should be women enough to step up and take responsiblilty. You are a very selfish person if you think about your own happiness over that of your child. Every one is going to make their own desicion but hopefully you will make the right one. No carrer, school, party, or anything eles is more important than a baby. This may be your only chance to ever have a child you never know. You shold get an ultrasound before you have an abortion and see what you are killing. Not only are you killing another human but a piece of you is dieing with it. It will always haunt you.

  25. i agree, no one should force their beliefs on you and try to control the way you do things. which is kind of weird because thats a belief itself. but i think everyone can agree they don’t like it when people force stuff on them.

    also, every time a male masturbates he kills like 5,000 potential lives

  26. It is no one’s right to tell someone else how they should live their life.
    If they do not want to have the baby, then so be it. It is not like it is anyone else’s choice anyways, it is the woman who is pregnants’ choice. Everyone has a different oppinion, and everyone will do what they want. Saying things like “the baby has the heartbeat at that point” probably isn’t going to change that persons mind.

    But I will say that there should definately be a time limit as to when you can have the abortion. Some people get it at around 4 or 5 months which is kind’ve distubing if you ask me.

  27. abortion is ridickulous like thats a person an everyone deserves to live and your just killing someone who could be something in history in the future and i think people should go to jail for it and thats there fault that they werent protected theres no one to blame but your self period.

  28. And how do you know that they weren’t protected?
    CONTRACEPTIVES FAIL.
    If we were go back to illegal abortions, women would still continue to get them.
    It would result to back-alley abortions again and I think we all know how disturbing those were..

    “Your just killing someone who could be something in history in the future?”
    Wow. First of all, work on your grammar. Second of all, if that is what you are concerned about, then you should really do some thinking.

  29. im 16 im pregnant i have been with my boyfreind for 2 years im so confused and dont no what to do.i have listen to your comments you lot ov dont no what to do. there is no point arguin on here this is the internet and you make other people judgmental about you i study hairdressing in the uk and i am goin on to do my a levals in science im not letting this baby keep me down i have just found out im pregnant and my pearnets dont no you cant say girls are this girls are that in my experiance its not aways the girls thought and for another woman to say girls should stop spreading her legs that just sexist towards her self yes i may only be 16 but i talk more sense then most of you and your argumets fell free to email me xsexyx247@hotmail.com thank you

  30. I look at this website. In a way i am very disturbed, but what can i say people have their own thoughts, and have a right to their own opinion. But then again opinions are just like assholes every body has one. I am seventeen and i will be eighteen in janurary and i am old enough to make my own decisions. this labor day the unthinkable hapened, i figured out i was pregnant. I really thought i was in love but when i told my boyfriend the news the first word he said was abortion. Now i was always against abortion but i had no money,no moral support,no future. so i did not want to bring a baby into this world. that day i threw up before the termanation. and it has onl been a couple of months since then i still cant sleep at night. i hope god can forgive me and also my unborn child. in away i think abortion is wrong because it is an creation from god and doesnt deserve dying. but it is my body and would have been my child not yours so you cant judge me i did what i felt was right. my boyfriend is now my ex boyfriend because he is very selfish and didnt care about me at all he just did not want to have another baby momma. it hurts so bad just thinking about it. so instead of judging me feel my hurt and pray for me. THANKS FOR READING

  31. In all those statements,not once did I hear the word God or faith. Abortion is and always will be murder in the eyes of God. It says in Jerimiah that the Lord knew us when we were made, and although many of you beleive it is just a few cells that can not survive without the human body, it is still murder. Our lives are predestined,and everything happens for a reason. That baby you kill might be the person who discovers the cure for cancer or the cure for sickle cell, or the next president. There is no right time and reason to have an abortion. Partial birth abortion is the joke of the year. They say they do it to save the mother, but any women who has had a baby knows if you give birth, and all that is left to push out is the head, that is the easiest part. If we waited until the child was born and then stuck a pair of scissors in the back of the childs skull and sucked out their brains, that would be murder. It seems to me that what this world needs is to redevelop our moral beleifs and start living a decent life. We must turn back to the Lord and start to heal. It does not matter if you call Him, Allah, Mohammad, God, or what ever, just know that if you are going to engage in sexual activity, then use the loop, a condom, the pill, spermacide, or what ever else you need to do to prevent the pregnacy. Once you are pregnant, you choice is no longer yours. You have now created another human being and as I said in the beginning, that is murder. You might poke fun at this entry, and you might even call me a crack pot, but I have been on the other side and it is something that will haunt you for the rest of your life unless you ask forgiveness from the Almighty. Only then will you find peace. I have 2 children and 4 grandchildren. I also am raising my granddaughter. I would not have wanted my daughter to have an abortion, for any reason. Abortion is a hot topic and I know there are alot of pros and cons to everything, but not when a human being is at stake.Quit thinking about your own gratification and think with the brain the good Lord gave you.There are other resources to help you and many agencies will help with the transition and adoption issues. There are agencies out there that will help with medical, food, and housing. If you think about the abortion before you do it and have informative information, I beleive you would change your mind. There are alot of people out there who for one reason or another, can not have children, instead of killing your child, give it to someone who wants a baby. Remember, abortion does not make you unpregnant, it just makes you the mother of a dead baby!!!!!!

  32. Ok I have to say alot of you are very rude. Everyone has the right to there own beliefs. This may have been posted in January but I had to leave a comment.

    You can’t just accuse people like that! You say that people are being childish and can’t spell. What does spelling have to do with this matter? WHat has spelling got to do with our lives? Do you actually think that you can say your spelling is bad so your childish or your stupid or shouldn’t be posting on here. That in itself is childish.

    My father can’t spell he is dislexic and I’m not brilliant at it either. But that does not mean he’s childish. He’s 45 and a well respected verternary Surgen.

    My point is all of you who are saying people are killing there babies and are childish should look at themselves before typing. Its the kind of things that happen in the playground. Like if a little child was trying to say something and the other kids said “Your not important you’ve got stupid hair”. Well your saying “your not important you can’t even spell!”

    And about girls shouldn’t open their legs you sound like those old grandmas you get in a scary movie. It is up to girls if they have sex or do anything sexual. Yes girls are having sex way too young but look at the sociaty around us. I know they have to deal with the consquenses but should a child really be born if they are not wanted. Its not even a child yet it is cells that will grow into a child.

    By the way I am 18 years old and 5 weeks pregnant, no I am not having an abortion I am having my baby adopted but I know I have to be emotionally strong to do this and most younger girls could not do it. I was on the pill at the time and I am 18 and mature enough to enjoy and love sex. Why shouldn’t I, it is a beautiful thing.

    Have your beliefs but don’t mock others. We are all our own person. NEVER TELL PEOPLE WHAT TO DO!!!! Anyone who does, is the child here!!!

  33. Hey i just want to say that i am a christian. I belive that in the eyes of god every child is a gift. Sex is a gift and it was given to us to show our husband or wife how much we love them. Why would you murderd something that did not do anything wrong or for that matter, did not even chose to be here. To think that you can kill something this baby is dumb. Having a baby in side of me will be amazing, and to know that i have a little living beauty from God in me is going to be great. I know that if you are faithfull and just have that baby everything will be ok. I know it might be hard at first to tell your parents but they will forgive you but it may take time. This baby could change your life forever. And if you dont want it put it up for adaption.
    Everything is important in the eyes of God.
    M.P

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