Tom Cruise is full of crap

“You don’t know the history of psychiatry. I do,” says the shortarse. What utter garbage. Tom Cruise knows no more about the history of psychiatry than I do the personal history of a penguin living in a zoo anywhere. That guy is full of crap on this issue and people like him should just STFU about things which in their cossetted bloody lives they have not come across or had to endure. Scientology is garbage, trash, useless and a complete fiction dreamt up by a bloke who needed psychiatric medication ffs. Tom Cruise ? bullshit merchant.

49 thoughts on “Tom Cruise is full of crap

  1. Heh. In all honesty, Mark, I’m more likely to disagree with you than not (which is why I’m not a frequent commenter ;)), but you’re absolutely on the money with this one, as far as I’m concerned. I just wish Matt Lauer had responded with “You don’t know the history of Scientology. I do.”

    This isn’t the first incredibly stupid thing Cruise has said this year: he’s also claimed to have “personally helped hundreds of people get off of drugs”, through a Scientology-front group called Narconon. Apparently, Narconon’s program, which has been discredited by practically every credible drug treatment/addictions specialist in the U.S, consists of forcing people off drugs cold turkey, then bombarding them with massive doses of vitamins and minerals. Then they get to sit in saunas for extended periods of time (presumably to ‘wash away the toxins’). That’s about the extent of it.

    See http://www.clambake.com and http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/ if you’d enjoy reading about what a ridiculous and potentially dangerous organization Scientology is.

    “The only way you can control people is to lie to them.�

    – L. Ron Hubbard

  2. Hi Cena !
    This idiot annoys me on several levels:

    1. He has not HAD any sort of mental health problem so he should not speak as if he has authority. It would be like me saying what it really does feel like to be squirted with water publicly in front of thousands after deliberately grabbing headlines by proposing marriage in Paris.

    2. He is – unfortunately – a celebrity and as such will be listened to by many. Some will have mental health problems and will now feel worse, some will try to come off meds and will fail badly, some will be told to come off meds. Either way, he could have a positive effect if he so chose – he has elected not to.

    3.His ego must be the size of Texas and the interviewer was seriously lacking in not challenging the tiny guy. Why did the interviewer let him get away with it ?

    4. And then we have the crap, the dangerous crap, that is Scientology. I know Travolta is in there too but at least he says nothing – or nothing that we catch over here. I have read various accounts of areas of Scientology and it amazes me that people are so frigging gullible to be taken in by such complete and utter crap. I do hope that Cruise knows he is not employed for his intelligence.

    Combining ANY religion with ANY person with the ability to sway the public is dangerous (look at the US and Iran in weeks to come) but L.Ron Hubbard ? That guy was a fruitcake – as is every single person who subscribes to his belief. Tom Cruise ? Twisted nutter.

  3. Well folks; I must agree Tom C. has lost it, if indeed he ever had it.
    At best, he’s deluded. If he does believe in Scientology, he’s to be counted with “The Gullibles” rather than the “Deep Thinkers”.
    Reason itself would negate the validity of Scientology, along with all other so called religions. God gave us REASON, not Religion.

  4. I find it funny how every person on this page has an anti-Scientology agenda (with the exception of Jo, who didn’t say much) and does not say one thing to actually counter Tom’s claims. The best you can come up with is, “He’s a Scientologist. He’s in a cult that’s destructive to society and a load of crap. Therefore he’s crazy and wrong.” That’s pathetic.

    Furthermore, you are calling someone’s religious beliefs crap. First off, what exactly do you know about them? The only knowledge you seem to have is whatever is posted on Xenu.net or whatever. Then, why are they so wrong? Why would you say that someone has to be crazy, guillible, stupid, etc. to believe in Scientology. I could take your religion and DO THE EXACT SAME THING. Oh, Christianity is based on a Carpenter and the Bible is full of ghost stories and fairy tales. You would take offense to that and I would be villified, yet you have no problem with doing the same to Scientologists.

    How about instead of instilling hate against another’s beliefs you just focus on the issue and actually show us why you think Tom is so wrong on this. None of you appear to have any more knowledge than you claim Tom does. It’s just, “He’s an arrogant idiot, blah, blah, blah.” Unbelievable.

  5. I could take your religion and DO THE EXACT SAME THING. Oh, Christianity is based on a Carpenter and the Bible is full of ghost stories and fairy tales. You would take offense to that and I would be villified, yet you have no problem with doing the same to Scientologists.

    Why would you assume we have a religion to get offended about?

  6. Yoke – all the praying in the world isn;t going to take my mental disorder away. It’s not going to stop me rehearsing suicide again and again and again, it’s not going to stop me thinking I can work wonders either. All the shit that Scientologists spout would do nothing at all for me – or the millions of others like me that have mental health problems – and people like TC who smugly sit there with no stress, no hassle and a ‘therapist’ for every imagined ill do our world nothing but harm.

    I do not instill hate. Derison, yes. Scorn, yes.

  7. Oh, really? Well, what exactly are you doing then? Expressing your personal opinion? Perhaps, but the way you do it shows no depth on your part on this issue. Rather than actually arguing this issue or at least with Tom using facts you just say he is full of shit and Scientology is full of shit.

    I see this a lot. I understand the disagreement on this issue. Really, I do. I understand that Tom’s ideas conflict with a lot of what’s being said out there by both the scientific community and the lay person. That doesn’t excuse you to talk shit about his religion and the millions of people that follow it. You wouldn’t like it if I said Christianity and Jesus are full of bullshit.

    If you don’t think Scientology would do anything for you, fine. Don’t take it up. However, there are a lot of people who think it works for them and helps them with whatever mental/spiritual ails they have and they aren’t wasting their money, so why do you have to knock that? Just leave them alone and focus on the issue.

    Really, when you look at this, you are really just attacking Scientology more than you are Tom Cruise. It would be better if you would attack Tom’s views rather than his politics and religious choices.

    While we’re on the issue, what makes you think Tom hasn’t run into anyone with Postpartum Depression or some other mental illness? How exactly do you know? You seem to just make an assumption he hasn’t because his views sound wrong to you. I even see people bash him because he hasn’t had children of his own. I mean, what the hell? He adopted two children and gave them homes, even keeping the tabloids out of their lives. He should be commended for that. Maybe he didn’t feel he needed to conceive a child to feel fulfilled and adopting was more practical to him. There is nothing on record to prove he is unable to conceive a child.

    One more thing. If Tom were just saying this and that were untrue and bullshit then that would be one thing. However, unlike all the thousands/millions of complainers out there he seems to give a solution to all his complaints with what’s wrong in field of mental health. That should be considered. I’m not saying that makes him right but it does mean that he’s not just pointlessly bitching. Even Michael Moore doesn’t offer anything to really do about the Bush administration and the government as a whole, yet he is listened to by millions.

  8. You failed to answer the question. I asked how you knew he didn’t have experience with people with Postpartum Depression or other mental illnesses. You can only think of Brooke Shields despite the contradictory statement of, “…people like him should just STFU about things which in their cossetted bloody lives they have not come across or had to endure.” What it appears is you first say he hasn’t run into people with mental maladies, then you say he has, Brooke Shields, but then you cannot give anymore examples. I don’t need any examples specifically, but rather proof on how you know that what you said is true, even though you said one thing and then another thing that contradicted it.

    You have dodged the issue as a whole though. Please take more time to include in your responses the whole subject.

    By the way, Brooke made some pretty low comments in retaliation against Tom Cruises chidings of her.

  9. No censorship is going on, but SK is having a ball :)

    The missing comments, as caught by SK2 and as then broken by something in SK2 were:

    I think I did. Isn’t it time you answered now?

    For some interesting info:

    http://www.prozactruth.com/Tom_Brook.htm

    I did. Now isn’t it your turn?

    For some interesting tidbits:

    I did. Now isn’t it your turn? I’m still curious as to which of your contradictory statements you will go with.

    There were a couple of multiples of the last comment which I’m not displaying as they are identical.

    And Yoke, I said “are you in any way connected with Scientology ?

  10. P.S. The reason I submitted the same comments multiple times was because I was trying to see if I could get through the spam filter by re-trying. If you could shut this off and allow my comments to be posted, that would be nice. However, if not, then I can’t promise I will continue with the argument. Though, that just may be what you want….

  11. From Yoke:

    P.S. The reason I submitted the same comments multiple times was because I was trying to see if I could get through the spam filter by re-trying. If you could shut this off and allow my comments to be posted, that would be nice. However, if not, then I can’t promise I will continue with the argument. Though, that just may be what you want….

    No – I do not practise censorship or revisionism. Spam Karma 2 (which you have met) was being too enthusiastic as I had raised it’s level due to an increase in spam. I try to recover your entries and I get an error. Your comment here is from a notification email from SK2.

    SK2 is now deactivated.

    Anyway …………
    ========================
    Yoke – are you in any way postively associated with Scientology ?

  12. Alright, it works. I don’t know why your spam filter tagged me but apparently it’s not now as you have disabled it (duh).

    Anyway, I did answer your question regarding Scientology. You, however, have left a number of issues unresponded to, such as whether Tom has experience with people with mental illness, as you first said he didn’t in your original post but then said he did when you referred to Brooke Shields.

    This issue is being dodged broadly. If you would be so kind as to provide actual information as to why you feel Tom is “full of crap” instead of attacking his religion and its founder you could perhaps make a point. So far though all you have expressed is you hate Scientology and you think it would do nothing for you.

    In answer to the person who asked me what made me think they had religions (of their own) to get offended about, well, I don’t. I was making a point. I don’t think someone should have to belong to a religion though to be offended by someone else’s negative comments. At the very least they should disagree with that person expressing such views. However, this differs from someone simply not agreeing with another’s religious beliefs. This is about them saying anyone taking up these beliefs is wrong, and that is wrong.

    I f you are one of those people that disagree with religion as a whole, well, that is an entirely different issue and one that makes you even LESS credible when criticizing Tom’s religion, Scientology, in order to somehow make you correct in this argument.

  13. Hi :)

    I don’t see where you proclaim your stance on Scientology.

    1. Are you involved with Scientology ?
    2. Are you paid (in any form) by Tom Cruise (or any of his reps) to defend him on weblogs ?

    Okay …. moving on:
    Tom Cruise is a famous guy.
    Tom Cruise has a following of people for a variety of reasons probably. I’ll take a guess at (1)Acting (2)Appearance (3)Shiny white teeth (4)Being short (5) Grinning
    Because of his fame, he gets to be in positions in front of cameras that normal people do not. When he says he proposed to a girl on the Eiffel Tower, it’s headline news – just one example. Now, what he does or does not believe is entirely up to him. He has the right to think whatever he wants. But into that – were he a responsible person – has to come his public profile. While he has the right to think what he wants, he must bear in mind that what he says could be contrued in a number of ways. So while – for instance – he may believe it is okay to drive his car at old ladies on the street, he must be aware that his saying so could influence others to believe what he does is correct and then mimic. Arguably, if he said that, then someone would run an old lady over and cite him.
    Got that ?
    Now the above is easy – it’s a simple action. Yet he stated that many many many years of scientific research (psychiatry) was junk, rubbish and that he knew everything. That statement ALONE is crap.
    He then derides medication and those that take it (Note example above).
    He uses his belief system as a basis for this BUT OTHERS WILL NOT HAVE OR USE THAT SYSTEM when they choose to dismiss psychiatry “because Tom says so”. So while he MAY want to advocate Scientology, the message he sends is not that Scientology is great, but that Mental Illness should not be treated by tablets. He sends HALF a signal.
    THAT is irresponsible. It’s stupid. It’s idiotic.
    Got that ? That’s why he is full of crap.

    Now …………
    L.Ron Hubbard / Scientology.
    Utter garbage. Claptrap. Useless. I could go on, but head over to thesaurus.com and whatever comes up for synonyms for those words equally applies.

    That help ?

  14. O.K., now we’re getting somewhere.

    In regards to Scientology, like I said, before, I think the Church has better things to do than have one of their staff members or someone they pay to go around the internet and participate in blog debates. Same with Tom Cruise even though he does have an insane amount of money and could do that.

    I agree with what you said about celebrities and their communication to the world 100%. In fact, I think too much attention is given to celebrities in general. However, it is the people that choose to support this and for that I blame them. I don’t hate celebrities for this unless they are just, well, to be blunt, attention whores (the words “Paris Hilton” and “Jessica Simpson” come to mind).

    So we agree on that. However, there are other things which I don’t agree with you on besides my statemtents in regards to your bashing Scientology and its founder rather than arguing Tom statements are incorrect. I’ll try to take these point by point.

    To be perfectly fair, Tom has not given that many details on why he disagrees with psychiatry. He has given some broad reasons but all these statements are actually few. It wasn’t like he sat down on “Dateline” or some similar show and gave a half hour interview on why he hates psychiatry and its practices.

    The main thing I disagree with, though, is the assumptions you make. Tom did not “deride” medication or people taking them. Well, maybe the medications themselves, but certainly not the people. What evidence do you have of this? I don’t have the exact quote on hand, but I believe his disagreement with Brooke Shields’ taking of psychiatric medication was, “She is misinformed”. I don’t feel that is derision. There was no name calling and he did not make a mockery out of her in any way. Perhaps the thing about asking where her career has gone could be considered a bit cold but you can hardly say he “derides” people for taking medication. Furthermore, this protest was on Brooke Shields alone, not on everyone taking these types of medications.

    Now another assumption you make, which I mentioned in part earlier, is you do not know for a fact that Tom is basing his disagreements PURELY on his beliefs in Scientology. I understand that you feel that people should intrude on others’ choices in life SOLELY because it goes against their religious beliefs, and I agree with that. However, you do not know for a fact that his views do NOT stem from secular beliefs. Yes, everyone knows Scientologists are against psychiatry, but Scientologists aren’t the only ones. There are numerous anti-psychiatry/psychology groups and organizations out there. Scientology just happens to make good news. A simple search on the internet will support this.

    Tom did not state any Scientology beliefs in his relatively brief and broad comments on psychiatry. All I’ve heard him say is the field is harmful. If you could bring one up I would like to hear that.

    Now as for psychiatry itself there is indeed loads of opinions and findings from peers and other doctors (such as general practioners and neurologists) that contradict what is generally held as truth amongst the psychiatric community and the general public. These are available on the web and come not only from the Church of Scientology or at least the group they support, CCHR, but also from these other anti-psychiatry/psychology groups and organizations. These groups quote what other psychiatrists, psychologists and miscellaneous doctors and scientists have found. Do a little research and find this out for yourself.

    Now, in regards to Scientology and Hubbard, do you just disagree with the beliefs or do you actually despise them and the followers? You seem to be leaning on the latter. If you are just saying you would never become a Scientologist because you don’t believe their teachings then I don’t have a problem with that.

    However, you seem to be condemning every person that is a Scientologist. I’ll give you that there is a lot of controversy around Scientology, the Church and its founder but you shouldn’t say that it’s useless for everyone, because apparently there are a lot of people out there that find it helpful. To give generalities on them would only be a sign of ignorance.

    I don’t agree with a lot of religious beliefs. In fact, I find them almost foolish sometimes, but if someone finds them useful to their spiritual path for improvement then why not let them have them? It’s not hurting me.

  15. In regards to Scientology, like I said, before, I think the Church has better things to do than have one of their staff members or someone they pay to go around the internet and participate in blog debates.

    That does not answer my questions :)

    When Lauer said he had known people who had been helped by anti-depressants, Cruise accused him of irresponsibly advocating drugs about which he knew little on national television.
    So when TC does it, thats good but when someone else does it, it is not ?

    There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance.
    Says TC. Must be true then.

    They’re mind-altering, anti-psychotic drugs
    Now here he HAS got it TOTALLY wrong. Anti-depressants are NOT anti-psychotics. At all. Maybe he should read up on these things ?

    It’s 01:09 here, and the verbatim account is here: http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3tc.htm If I could be bothered, I would contine to rip into the acting shortass.

    And Scientology ? You knows what’s wierd ? If I had criticised another ‘religion’, it wouldn’t still be argued about here, and I believe that the yes/no answers I asked for would have been given. Doesn’t that say something to you ?

    (And if your reply fails to appear, it’s SK2 again. Any comments will be recovered to here in the morning).

  16. Well, in regards to your “unanswered” question about if I was working for Scientology or Tom Cruise, I thought you could understand what I was saying, but I guess I’ll have to spell it out for you: NO.

    I don’t know what you’re talking about what Tom Cruise that others cannot do on “The Today Show”. Please clarify.

    Tom obviously does not expect people to believe whatever he says, especially in regards to psychiatry. I would think that he knows what he is saying goes against what a lot of people think is true and therefore is rationale is that if he says this, it will get people thinking and doing research and perhaps they will find what he finds and agree with him.

    But once again you fail to address MY questions and bring up some points on why you feel Tom is so wrong. The best I have gotten from you is that bit about anti-depressants not being anti-psychotic, even though I can’t tell for sure if he was talking about anti-depressants there (yes, I have read the interview but I haven’t memorized it).

    I am not sure what you’re implying by your criticism of Scientology. If you had talked badly about another religion, such as one that is mainstream, you very well might have gotten some responses to that. However, I don’t know how many people read your website.

    I will say, however, that you have left the questions from my last post and even the post before that unanswered.

    Now, in regards to Scientology and Hubbard, do you just disagree with the beliefs or do you actually despise them and the followers? You seem to be leaning on the latter. If you are just saying you would never become a Scientologist because you don’t believe their teachings then I don’t have a problem with that.
    However, you seem to be condemning every person that is a Scientologist. I’ll give you that there is a lot of controversy around Scientology, the Church and its founder but you shouldn’t say that it’s useless for everyone, because apparently there are a lot of people out there that find it helpful. To give generalities on them would only be a sign of ignorance.

    Furthermore, you have not really given any evidence of exactly why Tom is wrong. It’s just he’s crap and Scientology is crap. Please, how about we just knock these points down one by one and actually forward this conversation, because though we, or should I say, you, took a step forward in your last post you have taken another step or two backwards with this one.

    As I said before, I thought I was pretty clear on my answer in regards to your question of my Scientology affiliatino, and I even answered it plainly here. So let’s move on?

  17. > If you had talked badly about another religion, such as one that is mainstream, you very well might have gotten some responses to that.

    Not to mention what judges worldwide regard scientology as:
    http://www.xenu.net/archive/judge_quotes.html
    To quote two of many:

    Justice Anderson, Supreme Court of Victoria, Australia:

    “Scientology is evil; its techniques are evil; its practice is a serious threat to the community, medically, morally, and socially; and its adherents are sadly deluded and often mentally ill… (Scientology is) the world’s largest organization of unqualified persons engaged in the practice of dangerous techniques which masquerade as mental therapy.”

    Kenneth Robinson, British Minister of Health:

    “The government is satisfied that Scientology is socially harmful. It alienates members of families from each other and attributes squalid and disgraceful motives to all who oppose it; its authoritarian principles and practice are a potential menace to the personality and well being of those so deluded as to become followers; above all, its methods can be a serious danger to the health of those who submit to them… There is no power under existing law to prohibit the practice of Scientology; but the government has concluded that it is so objectionable that it would be right to take all steps within its power to curb its growth.”

    I think you are doing a job defending the indefensible. Keep it up.

    > However, I don’t know how many people read your website.

    I think quite a lot of people read this website. It is popular due to Mark’s association with wordpress.

    Are you a scientologist?

  18. Tom said

    But what happens, the antidepressant.. these drugs are very dangerous.. They’re mind-altering, anti-psychotic drugs.

    I’d say him saying AD’s were anti-psychotics was unambiguous there.

    You said

    I would think that he knows what he is saying goes against what a lot of people think is true and therefore is rationale is that if he says this, it will get people thinking and doing research and perhaps they will find what he finds and agree with him.

    And THAT is my point too. If he were so damn clever, he would know that most people will not, most people will just wander round “Tom says this, Tom says that” and criticise others for their actions. And hey, get ME on the Today Show, get ME talking about things. For one, the invite would not happen, for two, even if it did people would not take notice and for three, I would couch my terms and beliefs in appropriate language. TC did not.

    You said

    So let’s move on?

    Where to exactly ?

    You said

    I am not sure what you’re implying by your criticism of Scientology. If you had talked badly about another religion, such as one that is mainstream, you very well might have gotten some responses to that. However, I don’t know how many people read your website.

    Look around – you will find Christianity in various flavours ridiculed. You will find Islam probably at both ends of the spectrum. I am very very fair – I’ll have a pop at all of them if I wish. And people reading my website ? A fair few read it I suppose but I don’t write for anyone but me.

  19. Perhaps anti-depressants aren’t anti-psychotics (there may be some that are both, but I don’t know for sure honestly). However, anti-depressants can be very dangerous. Some of the less common effects include suicide ideation. Don’t believe me? Read the warning label not to mention the various studies on them. Also, I don’t know many other drugs, if any at all, that cause a person to consider suicide.

    And THAT is my point too. If he were so damn clever, he would know that most people will not, most people will just wander round “Tom says this, Tom says that� and criticise others for their actions.

    It is not Tom’s problem if people blindly go about believing whatever a celebrity says just because they are a celebrity. These people have deeper problems than a misconception of hte importance of celebrities.

    Tom obviously didn’t think that everyone would agree with him. He knew people wouldn’t agree with him right away or not at all. His whole objective was to express his views and get people talking, whether in a good way or a bad way and he succeeded. For proof just look to yourself.

    In regards to my asking to move on, I was referring to the various Scientology references you and Angsuman made. It’s the same thing I was saying before about actually concentrating on the issue rather than the politics.

    Obviously there are other religions besides Scientology ridiculed, mocked and persecuted, including Christianity and Islam. That doesn’t make it right. You don’t have to agree with someone’s religious viewpoints but you shouldn’t criticize them for it unless they are intentionally trying to harm people with them. Religions were created to help people, even though others might have used it for ill purposes along the way. The Crusades is an obvious example as well as the conversions of the Native Americans by the European Settlters.

    Nonetheless, this is not the same as calling someone an idiot for believing in something. I personally think there are a lot of silly ideas out there but they don’t actually hurt me so why should I care? The people who believe in them do care however and people have fought so hard to allow them to be able to hold those views, even if those fighting do not believe in them themselves, and it is their right do believe in whatever they want.

    Obviously I can’t stop you at making fun of whatever you want, but all I’m saying is it is wrong. Usually the people who criticize religions in general say they understand religion, what it’s for, why people believe in them, etc. but it is easily proven these same individuals understand little of it and in fact have an extremely narrow point of view.

    But that is not the point of this issue, only the point of the statement I made earlier.

    I’m still waiting on the answers to my questions in my earlier posts. Please refer to them if you do not know what I am talking about. But I will not let them go.

  20. Some of the less common effects include suicide ideation. Don’t believe me? Read the warning label not to mention the various studies on them.

    I was a nurse dispensing such medication for 18 years. I had a legal obligation to be fully aware of ALL the side effects.
    I have also taken such medication for over 13 years – I know what they feel like too.
    Glib statements like yours simply demonstrate that you know nothing of the phenomena of depression and it’s cycle, how the physical and mental effects interact and how chemicals affect that.
    Bear in mind that if today you invented Prozac and also Paracetamil, it’s that latter which would be refused a license, not the former.

    I’ll be back to the rest later.
    (and give up ? Me ? nope.)

  21. You have still failed to answer my questions.

    You know of the side effects then? Well, good, then you should know what I’m talking about. Pleaes don’t make an attempt to argue that drugs such as Prozacs have dangerous side effects.

    I made no reference to depression, so I don’t know how you could say that I have no idea of “the phnomena of depression and its [you mispelled this word] cycle, how the physical and mental effects interact and how chemicals effect that.” Also, isn’t the whole argument whether or not there are actual chemicals involved in depression? I thought that was Tom’s point…. But either way you have no basis for saying that since I never actually went into this point, at least not yet.

    I would like to know why you have been depressed for 13 years. I’m not saying it’s your fault or that you’re a bad person for being so or anything like that. My point is for someone who seems to advocate something so workable it has not had such great results on you. This honestly isn’t meant to be an insult but rather a comment on the workability of the sciences of psychiatry and psychology.

    For a nurse though, you are quite crude and impolite. I would expect someone in the medical field to be a bit more benevolent to society as a whole and not talk like a know-it-all “badass”. Take that as an insult if you want but your comments so far have been designed to belittle a person and make hostile comments against his religion, all without actually tackling the issue or showing any real knowledge of any of the things which you claim you what you’re talking about. In fact, I cannot help but doubt your claims of being a nurse since you talk in the manner I would expect of an immature high schooler who spends much of his time making fun of others.

    This isn’t to make me look good by any means but to say that I would not trust anyone giving medical care who says such hostile and malicious statements, all with assumption and ignorance. I can only compare it, as I stated before, to an immature high schooler, almost a “bullying” type.

    Before you respond to any of these new comments I have made, please answer my old questions that have gone unanswered for about 3 posts now.

  22. Personal insults – I wondered when you would start them.

    My blog. My thoughts. My right.
    If the grinning twat can say what he wants on National TV, I sure as hell can say what I want here.

    If I am so very wrong, I invite Mr Cruise to SUE ME.

  23. That pretty much showed Yoke’s true color. And he was talking about logic!
    My simple theory is:
    scientology == irrationality + fanaticism + libelious == c*p

    Just a quick note to add my full agreement to Mark’ and Angsuman’s comments on the dangerous cult that is Scientology

  24. I’ve come to this thread pretty late on. I’ve no experience of mental health and I have no strong opinions on Tom Cruise either way.

    However, it has to be recognised that any public figure has a responsibility to the public and needs to realise that his every word can have serious consequences. If TC believes that psychiatry is bunkum and that drugs are bad then that is his own choice. However, if he says this publically then there are people out there that will listen to what he says, that will stop going to their counsellors or will stop taking their meds. This could lead to deaths because someone cannot control themselves and lash out or commit suicide. You may well say that the chances of that are pretty slim but just one unneccessary death is one too many. I wouldn’t want that kinda thing on my conscience and I’m sure TC wouldn’t either. He needs to realise the effect his words can have – for bad as well as whatever good he perceives.

  25. I cannot help but doubt your claims of being a nurse since you talk in the manner I would expect of an immature high schooler who spends much of his time making fun of others.

    and somehow, I cannot help but doubt your claims that you are not involved in Scientology.

    In answer to the person who asked me what made me think they had religions (of their own) to get offended about, well, I don’t. I was making a point. I don’t think someone should have to belong to a religion though to be offended by someone else’s negative comments.

    Oh, Sorry. When you said …

    I could take your religion and DO THE EXACT SAME THING. Oh, Christianity is based on a Carpenter and the Bible is full of ghost stories and fairy tales. You would take offense to that and I would be villified, yet you have no problem with doing the same to Scientologists.

    I simply assumed that your use of “your religion” and “you would take offense to that” that you were assuming religion. Christianity, even.

    I guess you just typed a lot of bollocks by mistake.

  26. True colors? I’ve been pretty straightforward this whole time. Furthermore, you’ve two, Mark and Angsuman, have more then given your fair share of personal insults. The fact that you two talk like an immature high-schooler with something is something you’ve made very apparent and does not add anything to your credibility.

    I will, however, address dino’s comment, which actually sounds like he wants to discuss what’s actually relevant.

    Tom Cruise never told anyone to stop taking their medication, or even gave any real “medical advice” as the critics have stated. He simply said anti-depressants as well as all psychotropic drugs are harmful and that there are other things that help women with Postpartum Depression, SUCH AS vitamins and exercise (he didn’t say that those were the only choices). He also never told anyone to immediately stop taking their medication. Far from it. In I think the original interview with “Access Hollywood” or whatever show the infamous interview was on where he criticized Brooke Shields’ taking of antidepressants, he specifically stated that he has gotten people off psychotropic drugs, they always need to be done under the care of a doctor, it isn’t just something to do on your own and he has an easier time getting people off heroin than these drugs. Psychotropic drugs are in fact drugs that you need to be taken off under the care of a qualified doctor. This is a proven and stated fact. They are often addictive and can have very dangerous withdrawal symptoms.

    He also never ever said to not get help for any mental problems. Though he doesn’t think psychiatry is a pseudo-science that doesn’t mean there aren’t other available venues of help.

    Tom Cruise is not responsible for those who do things he did not tell them to do. Obviously people will be influenced by him but if someone decides to stop taking their meds simply on the words of a celebrity, whether or not they are for mental illness, they have problems with guilibility.

    However, to wrap this up, I’m not sure what you were talking about in your last two comments on those last two quotes of mine you brought up. Like I said, I was making the point that you shouldn’t make fun of someone’s religious beliefs. I only used the Jesus and Bible example to give an example of this. I’m not sure why you’re fixated on this point.

    However, you have continually dodged the issue here. You have not brought up any real facts to support your argument and claims. You have not really answered any of my questions, such as whether or not you do think Tom Cruise has had experience with people who have a mental illness (see my earlier posts). All you have done here is shot out insults and try to make slick comments. You have done nothing to show your knowledge on the subject. This is simply a childish trash-talk blog.

    If you do not/cannot actually make an intelligent argument here, displaying some knowledge of facts, you are simply creating a forum for people to blow steam, and this is basically a waste of my time as further arguing on my part will only provoke you to make more insults and empty claims. So if you choose to dodge the issue then I shall not write anymore comments here.

    I’m sure you are all quite happy at this, as if I gave up, but just remember I actually made an argument here and have at least brought up some at least plausible points, whereas you have done nothing but insult and say, “He’s wrong,” with nothing to back up your claims.

    And by the way, you can say what you want of me should I decide not to post on here anymore, I don’t care. I’d rather talk to people who can actually go somewhere with the conversation.

  27. Scientology is a deadly CULT. Scientology uses blackmale material to keep members in line and extorts a great deal of money from members.

    People are looking for answers to lifes problems so the scam of scientology will continue to destroy lives.

  28. scientology is a cult. follow the psychological steps they take and the lack of spituality in their teachings.

    it is as pathetic as starbucks making its own religion. tom cruise needs mental help. you can see it in his face when he debates these points that he has been hypnotized or brainwashed. its a corporatist agenda. and it appeals to the elitists in america. you dont see scientologist doing expansive humanitarian outreaches to third world countries. they are selfish people and close minded to the world conversation. i know this because ive talked extensively and interviewed several high ranking scientologists. they all share a familiar and eery affinity for dumbed down logic and hyper scientific jargon. id recommend people not only avoid scientology but to study it so you dont make ignorant formulations about what it really is, educate yourself and youll see why its not worth our time… i dont know many poor,broke, welfare scientologists.

  29. “That doesn’t excuse you to talk shit about his religion and the millions of people that follow it. You wouldn’t like it if I said Christianity and Jesus are full of bullshit.”

    Yeah, I can talk shit about scientology. And Christianity is the stupidest fucking shit ever unleashed on the world. They’re equally stupid for the same reasons. Neither is the least bit plausible,

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