USA-WTF #3

Saddam underwear photo angers US
The US said the photos appeared to breach Geneva Convention rules on the humane treatment of prisoners of war.
Let the lawyers into Guantanemo Bay and all your other prisons then. You don’t give a flying one about the Geneva Convention unless it suits you – odd that … if other regimes act that way the US condemns them. Wonder why ?
The conventions say countries must protect prisoners of war in their custody from “public curiosity”.
Just ‘public curiosity’ is it ? Nothing to do with US forces being able to torture away from the public view is it ? It’s one thing for a soldier to be accused of torture / ill-treatment when they are in the thick of battle and in genuine fear, but whatever is going in the places like G.Bay and the other US military installations has got nothing whatsoever to do with fear and adrenalin. It’s all to do with evil. Pure unadulterated evil – and all in the names of the citizens of the US.
Sow. Reap. Tough.

Why in hell can’t we have an elected leader who can stick two fingers up at both the US and Europe ? At least for a few years ?

90 thoughts on “USA-WTF #3

  1. Pure unadulterated evil – and all in the names of the citizens of the US.

    That isn’t exactly fair. I am a citizen of the United States and I did not vote for nor condone what is going on there. Furthermore, there is at least half of us who think along the lines that I do. They way our goverenmet is set up and the way things get done, there isn’t all that much the everyday person can do once the ball gets rolling on somethings. Here, jut like there politicians like and promote their own personal agendas once elected.

    There are even Republicans who do not agree with what is going on in Gitmo.

    All of us Americans are not stupid or evil.

  2. I misphrased … my apologies. (I really should draft but then if I ever start doing that I’ll quit blogging.)

    What is going on is being done – as I’m sure Rumsfeld would say – in order to protect the US, it’s interests and it’s citizens. Which broadly means that the US as a whole supports it. Not entirely, but hey Bush did get in by that overwhelming Ohio majority which means that the US citizens are lead by their leader of choice. And that as such they support that leader in his actions.
    Now..like it or not, the US is seen as a democracy by some where if people wish to express their dissent, they can. Now if that IS the case, where are these many 1000’s of people ? If it is NOT the case that people can express their dissent, then either the US is more of a police state than is being told OR no-one disagrees.

    But to a citizen of another country, or a person of another faith the fact is that what is being done is part of the US process and any American becomes fair game. So they kill / injure a US citizen, so GWB and cronies say “Look ! Bad guys!!” and it spirals further.

    I know all Americans aren’t stupid / evil / crazed megalomaniac religious nutters but for the people who seek revenge on the US, a dead yank is a good yank – and you’ve got GWB to thank for it. Just like we’ve got the fool that is Blair.

    The evil is being seen to be done in your name.

  3. hey Bush did get in by that overwhelming Ohio majority which means that the US citizens are lead by their leader of choice. And that as such they support that leader in his actions.

    Debatable. There are many who still think that is pretty hinky there.

    Now..like it or not, the US is seen as a democracy by some where if people wish to express their dissent, they can. Now if that IS the case, where are these many 1000’s of people ?

    But this does happen, just as it happens in the UK. It doesn’t always make the international news but it does happen- Still, you could have 10,000-100,000 people marching and that will do and means nothing unless they were to all take up arms and attack… and I cannot finish that statement because as an American with the stupid laws we have now, I could be dragged off for that (and trust me… I already get dragged aside all the time when going through customs now). Its the people in Congress and in the White House who do what they want- And I am not so sure its on behaf of the people anymore… see my next point:

    Now..like it or not, the US is seen as a democracy by some

    Then they are just as ill-educated and stupid as many Americans are these days (and a good reason why I think the goverment is the way it is). We are not a true democracy but a representitive republic. Sure we vote for our representitives, but from that point on, we have no control really anymore. Unless we are calling into our state senator and congressmen’s office, we have not idea really what goes on a day to day basis in congress. One thing about the UK form of government is that in some aspects, I feel that the avgerage joe schmoe has a lot more influence on the day to day business of what goes on in parlement- that change can happen more immediately there.

    Here… things take forever. Right now? Over half of the US is now hating George Bush according to some polls. They are also not too happy with congress. The thing is that we have 4 more years before any of this will really change… and then even so… with only having two parties and not a truely representitve congress, its just a little more left or a little more right. The only saving grace is that it cannot be a little more George Bush… but God help us if it is a little more Jeb.

  4. And, if I may ask, what about your own (British Military Prison abuse scandal)?

    And that as such they support that leader in his actions.

    You have an elected leader that supports the war in Iraq so by your own definition you must support his actions.
    Just remember that when you point a finger you have three pointing back.

  5. Clyde – yeah, but your country is bigger :)

    The point is that the US Military is saying that it is wonderful, it supports the Geneva Convention, that it cares. No it does not (I said that politely !) and I would hazard a guess that it is safer for a citizen here to call Blair a lunatic than it is to call Bush the same.

    No, I do not support Blair and I did not vote for him – see just above.

    And I never mentioned prisons.

  6. WOAH!!!

    I say

    WHOA

    !!

    The point is that the US Military is saying that it is wonderful, it supports the Geneva Convention, that it cares.

    That is 100% wrong. The United Stats MILITARY knows that it is wrong and has often time brought it up with the civilian leaders that these tactics are wrong. Our government is not run by the military- the military follows the orders of the civilian leaders- Rumsfield, Gonzales, Bush. The military has been given those orders so please don’t fault the US military which currently has a lot of young men and women who really don’t want to be there, in a lot of cases are ill educated.

    The problem is that the foxes are in the hen house and we can’t seem to get them out.

  7. Point taken … may I clarify ?

    The “hey it’s our asses out here getting shot at” guys are simply doing what they are told and sometimes – sometimes – crossing the line as to what is strictly needed. That is not a fault, we would all do that in the circumstances I feel.

    The guys in the middle and pretty high ranks quite like their pensions and lives as they are, so they absorb crap from both sides but keep it shut.

    The guys at the very top please the politicians because they too want a long and comfortable life. They are the ones that talk to the Press.

    The politicians couldn’t give a fuck so long as they get re-elected.

    That’s pretty much the scenario in every country isn’t it ? But not every country decided to declare war on the Rest of the World and then proceed to fight that war using tactics that itself condemns.

    I said a few weeks ago that while he was abroad someone should have got their name into the history books by shooting GWB – I still think that such action would save lives.

  8. Yes. But first you started out slamming all Americans. Then you got on the case of our Military. Everything you’ve said your government is just as guilty of. The difference here is that we happen to be larger and have more military resources so basically can afford (though not really) this behavior.

    I can tell you this-

    If W that first term has walked in and said “Hey! I am going to attack Iraq!” He wouldn’t have been elected.

    Basically, you want someone here to fall on their sword to get W out… But what you fail to see is that he is just the figurehead of a entity that the common person knows about but can do nothing about. If W is gone, it doesn’t matter… there will be a replacement.

  9. I didn’t slam all americans.
    I said “and all in the names of the citizens of the US.” That is not slamming, it is not saying that all agree or sanction in any way. It IS saying that each US citizen becomes a legitimate target simply because for GWB and his henchmen to succeed, US citizens MUST die and the way to get that to happen is to provoke ‘the enemy’.

    And I know there will always be a replacement, just like I and many thousands of others know that a decent person will not be elected to the White House. So this then becomes two issues:
    1 – other Western countries ought to stop the stupid pretence that the US is a democracy or even democratic republic.
    2 – if an innocuous post on a blog can generate such thought / feeling then the power of the images which are distributed by the US media cannot possibly be underestimated.

    Oh yeah …. and doesn’t this whole thing make you even a tiny bit scared for the future ? It does me.

  10. There has always been a reason to fear the future.

    The thing is that I stopped caring quite a long go. I do vote because I have no right to bitch if I don’t vote. At the same time, I am more worried about finding a good job and doing what I can to be happy in my own life and not giving much value to the outside. I can follow or I cannot. Perhaps a target is on my head because I am an American, but if I see that gun at my head, better get the shot off because I will shoot your first.

    The world is an the cusp of turning on its head and the world is about to just go into chaos on all fronts for many reasons. I just want to be educated and watch my back and try to be fair.

    The days of peace will come again.

    But sadly, I doubt in our lifetime.

  11. I’m bringing this statement back up because I got in the discussion late.

    but hey Bush did get in by that overwhelming Ohio majority which means that the US citizens are lead by their leader of choice

    There is evidence of a possible switch of votes in Ohio. The friggin truck was driven by someone who was for W, and there was a G W B for President sticker on it. Also, it was not escorted. I firmly believe Kerry won the election, not bush. In the end, the voters dont really decide. It’s the house that decides, and that house is like all the casinos, they always win for themselves, and not give a flying fuck about the gamblers, in this case, voters.

    IMHO.

  12. Don’t blame me. My voter registration was somehow totally wiped from the system and I wasn’t allowed to vote. Funny isn’t it?

    I registered to vote the day I turned 18 years old. I have voted in every major election since… until the latest Presidential election. I went to the polls, my name wasn’t on the list, I was turned away.

    Conspiracy I tell ya!

    :love:

  13. Ladies and gents…

    Like it or not, when a goverment does anything on the international stage, it is done ON YOUR BEHALF. This does not mean that you support the action, nor does it mean that you are stupid, ignorant, or evil. What the US does on the world stage is seen to represent the American people. All of them. It’s no different for any other country. So, to say that you didn’t vote for someone is a moot point.

    If your home is accidentally damaged by a bomb, and the wall falls down and crushes your beloved father, and you find out that the bomb was from Canada, then you hate us Canadians for killing your father.

    It’s not Mark or I painting all Canadians/Americans/Brits/Aussies/Indians/Chinese with a brush, it’s a simple reality that as long as I am a Canadian, regardless of any political, military, or humanitarian affiliations, I’m still one of “those people” who dropped a bomb one night and killed someone’s father.

    We westerners have the luxury of putting up our hands and saying “I didn’t vote for Mr. Stupid” but what does that mean to the family that just lost their father? Not a goddamn thing, that’s what.

    Also, a military receives its orders from a government, but to think for one moment that an organization whose job it is to stare down violence every day is only going to commit atrocities if told to do so by the politians is silly. You can’t blame Mr. Stupid Politician for how a soldier in Iraq treats a prisoner, you blame the military machine. That said, governments want results, and they send in the military to do the dirty work. Politicians are separated by a vast gulf of space from the realities of the battlefield, and they use that to their advantage when convenient. Torture is not an isolated thing that is only used in armies from the third world or other totalitarian regimes. Torture gets the job done, and it’s a sick tool to implement, but, ladies and gents, war is a damn messy business.

    Jennifer,
    To think you were turned away from voting disgusts and shocks me. As long as you can prove your identity and eligibility to vote, then you should be given a ballot. Here in Canada, we can register at the polling stations, on election day, if necessary. “Land of the Free” huh? :razz:

  14. We might also remind ourselves that the Fuhrer was elected in free, fair and democratic elections. We are in the same boat. Our Government sucks in terms of its self appointed mandate to be the Bush poodle. And whether we like it or not – that has tarnished all of us. The thing that makes me saddest is that some of us witnessed the immense grief the US caused itself in Vietnam. Iraq is a one way street. And it is going to end in a lot of tears. Believe me because I have been there, seen that, and bought the friggin tee shirt in previous colonial misadventures.

  15. It’s one thing for a soldier to be accused of torture / ill-treatment when they are in the thick of battle and in genuine fear, but whatever is going in the places like G.Bay and the other US military installations has got nothing whatsoever to do with fear and adrenalin. It’s all to do with evil. Pure unadulterated evil – and all in the names of the citizens of the US.
    Sow. Reap. Tough.

    You would make Osama Bin Laden and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi proud Mark…

    Why aren’t you discussing what the terrorist do to our prisoners…I guess you support beheadings…? You don’t consider that pure evil…? Blowing up innocent civilians and children by a suicide bomber isn’t pure evil Mark..?

    Saddam Hussein is responsible for filling mass graves to the tune of 300,000 counted so far. He gassed 15,000 kurds, Invaded Kuwait and slaughtered thousands and some of you people are sitting talking about a few bad apples in the US military. un-fucking believable…And jesus fucking christ, they were pictures of him in his goddamn underwear!
    The fact that he is alive and well should speak volumes, at least we didn’t fucking behead him.

    I said a few weeks ago that while he was abroad someone should have got their name into the history books by shooting GWB – I still think that such action would save lives.

    So you support killing an American president and would rather have people like Saddam Hussein remain in power. Wow, that’s a pretty bold statement…Kill GWB and it will save lives.

    You should really take a long and hard look at your country’s own history before you go around saying stupid shit like that and saying shit about the US. When was the last time a brit walked on the Moon, or found a cure for a disease. Are for that matter, what has England done for the planet in the last 100 years? Oh, and why don’t you tell us non-brits about Northern Ireland. Are what about the Crusades, etc. What about India…? What about Scotland…? England has been slaugthering humans for thousands of years. What in the hell are they teaching in schools over there…? Just how to drink tea?

    I actually just back to your site to leave a comment on another post and stumbled on to this one. Mark you have alot of growing up to do. I would suggest that you go back to school and study World History. You would be amazed at the amont of suffering England has caused the world. Just ask anyone from Belfast. Oh, did I happen to mention that part of my family is from Ireland! :cool:

  16. Jeff,

    Since you are giving a history lesson, would you care to elaborate on what the US has done in the past 150 years?
    How about annexing 1/3 of Mexico? What about the US installing puppets like the Shah of Iran? General Noriega in Panama? What about US ties to the royal family of Saudi Arabia, a country which flogs people in public, beheads them, imposes harsh controls on the rights of women and minorities? The US funded Afghan rebels during their war with the old Soviet Union, and trained them very well. These are the same people that organised terrorist acts against the US such as the attack on the World Trade Center. Do you recall Ronald Regan’s term in office where the US sold weapons to Iran to give to the Contra rebels of Nicaragua? What about all the drugs the US allowed to be sold IN THE US to fund all of this activity? Let’s see, what else? There’s so much…Vietnam comes to mind. That war was done under the banner of “saving South Vietnam from Communism” and yet hundreds of thousands were killed mostly to line the pockets of US companies which supplied weapons, vehicles, and materiel to fight those nasty commies.

    The US uses its economic power to crush other countries as well. In what some US citizens would call the “most free nation in the world” you aren’t allowed to do business with Cuba. In fact, the US will punish business and trading partners who do business with Castro and his communist horde.

    Let’s take a look at the two World Wars. The US did not become involved in either of them until their own self-interests were threatened. Soldiers from the old British empire, including India, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and others were trying to stop Hitler, but it took the US two years to get involved in that. One can speculate about events of that era had the Imperial Japanese nation had not attacked US holdings in the Pacific ocean.

    I’ve missed many other issues, but I have made my point. The US does not hold the patent on political and economic interference, but it does utilise all of the tools at its disposal to do just that.

    The old British empire was heartless and cruel, and that speaks as much for that time in human history as it does about the British. Let’s not forget the other imperialist nations that plundered the globe: Portugal, Spain, Italy, France, and The Netherlands.

    Walking on the moon has done a lot for the globe, hasn’t it? And your comment about curing disease shows the depth of your ignorance – can you even name a disease that has been cured in the last 100 years? The US has slaughtered countless humans as well, but usually by proxy. George Bush made promises to the Kurds of Iraq during the Gulf War in 1991, and then turned his back on them, allowing Saddam to once again turn his cruelty onto his own people. Where was the US then? Why did they stop the march to Baghdad after pushing Saddam out of Kuwait?

    I could go on, but I’ve already taken up too much space in this thread.

    The US is full of smart, loving, caring, and good people. It’s simply too bad that their government foreign policies don’t always reflect that, but when a government becomes a self-serving entity that exists to ensure its own survival, then something has broken down. Some day the people of the US may realise this, and have a second American Revolution and take back the power that has been stolen from them.

  17. Jeff:

    – I bet the sunlight stung when you crawled back out eh ?

    – In so many ways you illustrate what is wrong with Hicksville, USA.

    are you calling me a hick…? Let’s see Mark, first you ditch someone for having cancer, then cut me down before for actually helping others…now you call me a hick. And you are talking shit about how the US treats others…? wow..

    It’s just really sad that you guys would rather see brutal dicators remain in power. All because of your pure haterd for the United States. As for the comments from Graig, If your haterd for the US and it’s government are so strong that it blind’s you from seeing the good that has come out of the US, then you are showing your own ignorance. Of course, it took England and the other countries thousands of years of repressing and slaughtering humans to finally get it. The USA has only been a country for a little over 200 years. So maybe we’ll come around after a thousand or so. :yummy:

    but it took the US two years to get involved in that. One can speculate about events of that era had the Imperial Japanese nation had not attacked US holdings in the Pacific ocean.

    First of all, my Grandfather’s brother died in WWII. The US did not get involved because it wasn’t our fight to get into. Remember, Hitler didn’t attack the USA. This is the funny thing that always comes up in debate’s like this. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t. When it comes to someone saving your ass, the US didn’t get there quick enough, but when it’s not your own ass, America is evil and stepping on everyone’s foot.

    We should never have given the USA its independence.

    Uh, just for the record…We kicked your ass! :razz:

    oh and by the way, how did we get off the subject of England violating the Geneva Conventions by publishing photo’s of Saddam Hussein in his underwear…?

  18. Jeff.

    Bush is a Dictator.

    And at the rate the US is going, she won’t much less the rest of the world will be around for the next 1000 years.

    I don’t exactly like nor agree what Mark is saying but you really are coming off and a “Yeeee Haw!!” Yankee twat.

    Its always comes down to has the biggest penis, doesn’t it?

    If that is the case, Saddam wins. Did you check out the package in that photo? If hes a grower as well as a shower, maybe it really isn’t about who has bigger balls but a bigger cock?

  19. I don’t exactly like nor agree what Mark is saying but you really are coming off and a “Yeeee Haw!!� Yankee twat.

    Well, when someone is bashing your country and is supporting the killing of a standing US president…It kind of gets my all american “hick” blood boiling.

    Bush is a Dictator

    Let’s see, how should I explain this…No, he is not. I’m going outside right now and scream…”Bush sux big donkey cock and I disagree with his policies” Hold on….

    nope, no police came and locked me away…If I choose to protest later downtown, I won’t be locked up or won’t be treated like saddam would treat his own people…cut out my tongue.

    Oh and I forgot to add something earlier…Graig, are you from Canada? When you speak of economics, are you speaking of the Canadain fishing industry? You know, the industry that got the approval from the Canadian government to slaughter 350,000 seals because they were “interfering” with their fishing business.

    And Mark, you never answered my question concerning Northern Ireland.

  20. 1. I’m a Yank. I didn’t choose to be a Yank- I just happen to be born one. If I had a choice, I’d have been born in Europe but hey- we don’t get to pick our Nationality usually so, celebrating it in some aspects is stupid. It like celebrating the fact I have tan skin or curly hair when if I had been born with white skin and blue eyes, that would have been just as well too.

    2. The death of the president? People want the deaths of some world leader somewhere at all points in time. Who cares? Maybe it was a good thing? Maybe it was a bad thing. People though Hitler AND Saddam were pretty cool for a bit there. You don’t get INTO politics by being an asshole, but you do stay in them by being a back stabbing tyrant. Tis the nature of the business. I am of the opinion that Bush is evil. I won’t say any more than this because I DO know on a first hand basis what the patriot act is doing and that they DO watch what you say and do. I don’t need any more trouble so I am not going to say anymore- I really don’t want my passport revoked.

    Saddam cut tongues, and Alberto Gonzales thinks torture is nifty if it is a means to an end. I guess it all depends on what end of the gravy train you are on and what you want in the end.

    Everything is cyclical, from glory, to gutter we all take a turn in that cycle. America IS turning into a dark, repressive, and backwards country- more because of fear and a lack of education as opposed to if American people are morally corrupt (though maybe they are raised to be plastic… I now wonder this too).

    Mark IS entitled to his opinion as are you.

    Frankly, once again? I think you are both wrong.

    Then again, I’m female so that means I am always right.

  21. Jeff first up I dont give a f*** about your grandfather. This is the wrong place to be talking about family sacrifice in the cause of Freedom. And I would rather that a thousand dictators remained in power than we have our freedoms, the rule of law, respect for diversity, and a million other notions get damaged by a Government run amok. OK. A couple of planes crashed. That is no reason to overthrow the basic tenets of democracy, and start invading third parties. Rednecks. Sheeeeeessh. We like Americans. We like the people. We like the place. We even endured Dallas on the TV with you. But the whole apparatus / institution of The United States of America? It sucks. Really.

  22. Jeff – I said in the names of the citizens of the US. I am not wrong.

    And you would like to think you know about the situation in Ireland – you do not. Even in your dreams you do not. I have commented on that situation before – or rather a couple of specific events – but I will not comment here. I do not write to order.

    Tek – spot on. And I really like your blog – always have done :)

  23. Jeff said

    The US did not get involved because it wasn’t our fight to get into. Remember, Hitler didn’t attack the USA.

    Hey, dipshit, what the fuck does THAT matter? Hitler didn’t attack Canada, Australia, New Zealand, or dozens of other countries either, and yet they rose to the call to stop a regime that was looking to dominate all of Europe and eventually the world. Our countries fought to stop a terrible evil in the interest of all human kind, not simply national self-interests. It was the right thing to do.

    Oh, and while we are on the topic of being attacked, when did Vietnam attack the US? When did Afghanistan and Iraq attack the US? The US invaded Panama as well…I don’t recall hearing anything about the Panamanian military launching a campaign against the US.

    We owe a debt of gratitude to all who sacrificed themselves to stop the likes of Hitler and his cronies. Nobody would argue against that, but I wonder why you bring that up? Did your relative give his life so that basic rights and freedoms for the people of the world should only exist as long as it serves the interests of the US? Yet another example of stereotypical American arrogance is demonstrated by your comment “When it comes to someone saving your ass, the US didn’t get there quick enough, but when it’s not your own ass, America is evil and stepping on everyone’s foot.” The US only entered the wars to save its own self-interests. Besides, supplying weapons to oppressive regimes under the too-convenient umbrella of stopping the spread of communism has nothing to do stepping on toes. It’s not a question of damned if you do, damned if you don’t. It’s not even the same issue, and lumping WWII sacrifices with selling drugs and weapons to fund an anti-government movement in another country cheapens those acts of heroism.

    Jeff also said:

    Graig, are you from Canada? When you speak of economics, are you speaking of the Canadian fishing industry? You know, the industry that got the approval from the Canadian government to slaughter 350,000 seals because they were “interfering� with their fishing business.

    It’s “Craig”, first of all. Yes, I am proudly Canadian, and I know full well what American economic power wielded as a club does to my country. Let’s talk about lumber industry. Your government, pressured by powerful corporate lobbyists, have robbed Canadian lumber producers of over two billion dollars in tariffs. The US has lost every single case presented under NAFTA and the World Trade Organisation in regards to this action. What is most interesting is that these tariffs are taken from us and then given to the US lumber producers. This economic club used by the US has cost this country thousands of jobs, and has created serious hardships in many communities in my home province. I could go on about how the powerful US beef industry has stopped the flow of Canadian cattle into the US, even though one branch of the US government is satisfied with Canadian controls in place to deal with BSE, but I won’t. The US government exists to serve US corporate interests, not to support the people of the US or other countries.

    In regards to your comments regarding the fishing industry, you are correct; the Canadian government allowed the slaughter of seals to protect the fishing industry. I don’t personally agree with it, but that’s a moot point. If you are trying to portray us Canucks as evil for killing seals, then go for it. I also know that American fishers would have benefited from the seal slaughter, as they chase the very same fish around the ocean. That issue is all about the human capacity to rape the planet of its resources at a speed unprecedented in history. As you are probably unaware, most of the fish caught in Canada is exported to the US, Europe, and Japan.

    The US government is derided by so many countries and people around the world because of the short-sighted policies enacted by corporate-owned puppet politicians. Until the US government demonstrates that it knows it is one part of a living organism, it will never be regarded as anything but evil.

  24. Jeff first up I dont give a f*** about your grandfather.

    Fuck you, period. You’re an ungrateful solicalist fuck.

    You guys really show your true colors when someone doesn’t agree with you. As I said before, you all would make Osama Bin Laden and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi very proud.

    I suggest all of you go to Iraq and join the terrorist so you can fight the evil americans. But, that would never happen because you guys don’t have the balls to do it. But if you change your minds,I’ve got 2 of my best friends over there right now and they would proudly put an all american bullet in your heads…

    Sorry, but I’ve got to run and build something out of some Canadian wood, I want to make sure I’m doing everything I can to use all the Canadian lumber I can. I think I’ll build a bird house or something. :razz:

  25. LMAO…

    Tell ya what… Why don YOU join the soldiers in Iraq and help the American way instead of playing armchair general.

    Perhaps something useful for the United States will happen and you can get you testicles blown off so you can breed any more little morons.

  26. I really love these guys. The nearest they have been to the combat zone is having a friend or brother or something who is there. That entitles them they think, to pontificate on Geo Politics. Its probably a misplaced guilt trip or something. And you – Jeff – do not want to experience combat conditions my friend in any circumstances; if you can avoid it, I can assure you. There is nothing glamorous about it. But if you do not want another generation of hapless economic conscripts and reservists to have their lives ruined – not by death – or even injury – but by the trauma of bloodshed, then you and other folk of your pampered tv generation need to get yo’ heads out from your butt, and start holding the democratic institutions responsible. Neo Cons? Hell no. Neo Facists.

  27. Sorry, but I’ve got to run and build something out of some Canadian wood, I want to make sure I’m doing everything I can to use all the Canadian lumber I can. I think I’ll build a bird house or something

    By this comment I surmise that you are trying to put this little Canuck from a little country into his place. This demonstrates why people view Americans as being so ignorant and self-important. How many birdhouses can two million US workers build? Huh? You don’t know what I’m talking about? Okay, I’ll tell you. One-third of the lumber consumed in the US is imported from Canada. There are over seven million workers in the US who daily rely on the unfettered supply of lumber, so by my math, that’s a hell of a lot of people who rely on our wood. Here’s an economic lesson for you, since your awareness of that topic is on par with your selective knowledge of history. The US and Canada have the largest trading partnership in the world. We take up around 22 percent of US exports, and the US consumes nearly 90% of our exports. This represents nearly $400 billion US dollars in trade. Nearly two billion dollars per day. The US has illegally applied a 27.5% tariff on the import of Canadian lumber. This means that your birdhouse material will cost YOU nearly one-third more. As I mentioned previously, the tariffs collected go to the US lumber corporations. Not to the US tax payer, but to the corporations. The US, while a signatory to the North American Free Trade Agreement, are becoming more and more protectionist, caving to the selfish interests of US corporations. Inevitably, the US public is told that they are being protected from evil Canadians and their bad trees, but that house your Uncle Bob just built cost nearly thirty percent more than it had to and that cash went into the corporate coffers.

    You are free to defend this kind of system all you want. If you want to pay more to build a birdhouse and give free money to the corporations, then you should be very happy, because that is exactly what is happening.

    It has been said that ignorace is bliss. Jeff, you must be in Nirvana right now.

  28. I really love these guys. The nearest they have been to the combat zone is having a friend or brother or something who is there

    LMAO, Root. You are so right. Let’s not forget that US citizens are raising money at home to buy body armour for their sons and daughters who are in Iraq. They are also trying to fund armour purchases for the legendary Humvee. US fatcats can drive around in the gas-guzzling knock-offs at home, but pity the poor soldier on the front line of the war driving up to a potentially hostile situation in an unarmed vehicle and nothing but the shirt on her back to protect her. Hopefully the bullets won’t go through the door and then her and then her squad member sitting beside her in the Humvee. The human soldier is the least expensive commidity on the battlefield, apparently.

  29. you guys are really pretty pathetic, this has to be one the most hypocritical blog sites out there. You guys claim to give a shit, but in reality you’re no better than the terrorist that are cutting off heads. Someone comes along and disagrees with and you burn them at the stake…(European past :razz:) You instantly question their intelligence, you cut them down, and then give a long winded explanation to justify your actions. As for joining the military, I can’t, I’m too old. But would happily join if I could. Remember, our military is an all volunteer force. Nobody held a gun to anyone’s head to join. But anyway, from what I have gathered from your site is that you, hate America, wish the taliban were still power so they could continue to repress and kill, that Saddam Hussein should have been left alone so he could continue to repress and kill, you view Bush as an evil dictator, Americans are bleeding the planet dry (no mention of China though?), American foreign policy is to blame for everything (no mention of the genocide taking place in Darfur or the recent slaughter that took place in Uzbekistan?), Mark never answers a direct question…Mark, I have family in Ireland, I’m very aware of the situation in Northern Ireland, was just wanting your thoughts on it since you seem to be so concerned about the world in which you live in.

    Let’s not forget that US citizens are raising money at home to buy body armour for their sons and daughters who are in Iraq.

    That’s right, Americans are the ones dying, that should make all of you very happy. That’s what you guys want right…? Dead americans…?

    You are free to defend this kind of system all you want. If you want to pay more to build a birdhouse and give free money to the corporations

    honestly, I’d rather go to Canada and cut down the tree myself. :razz: And here’s a thought, why don’t you stop being an “armchair” activist and demand that your government stop selling us the wood. Americans can adapt, we’ll just invent something new that will take it’s place. I’m cool with that. But anyway, I’ll let you guys go back to dreaming of the fall of America and wishing for the death of Americans. Just do me a favor, when you’re preaching about caring about the world and it’s problems, make sure put a little side notation somewhere that your views exclude america…have a nice day :-) Praise Allah.

  30. That’s right, Americans are the ones dying, that should make all of you very happy. That’s what you guys want right…? Dead americans…?

    I never once said that I want anybody to die. I’m not happy that the richest country in the world sends its sons and daughters into an illegal war without the equipment they require. I also said that I make a marked distinction between American people and the American government.

    …why don’t you stop being an “armchairâ€? activist and demand that your government stop selling us the wood…

    Where in my comments did I ever say that I didn’t want my country to sell wood or any other product to your country? My job depends on the lumber industry. I’ve stated that the US government has resorted to protectionism under pressure from powerful corporations. The US needs the wood as much as Canada needs to sell the wood. Grab any brain off the shelf, you moron.

    You’ll “just invent something new to take its place”? Let me know when you invent a substitute tree. By the way, the US is a consumer society. Next to nothing is actually made in the US any more. It’s all outsourced to Asia and other countries to save costs. You may assemble cars and TVs and other products, but I’d wager that nearly all of the components are made in China, Singapore, Taiwan, Mexico, Japan and a dozen other countries. The US does not have enough resources to supply its growing demand for consumer goods. That’s why your country buys oil and gas and hydroelectricity and aluminum and wood and paper and countless other commodities from Canada and other nations.

    “Praise Allah” you say. I guess that means that you believe that Muslims are the enemy of America. So only Christians can be friends with the US? Since when did being Muslim mean that you are a terrorist or that Muslims want Americans to die?

    I thought the extent of your ignorance was demonstrated earlier, but I see that you’ve reached new lows.

  31. Well we havent burned anyone at the stake in Europe for a couple of years now I guess. Nor have we fried anyone alive until their blood boils, their brains blow out and they go up in flames, while being represented by the cheapest attorney that money can buy. As a nation one of the biggest faults of the US is parochialism. They like to do the grand global vision thing sure. But deep down they regard anything outside Arkansas, as foreign, alien, unfathomable and a potential enemy. That includes Europe. They tend not to travel in any significant numbers, they are out of touch with global feelings, and they do not care about anything except trade and money. It is nothing short of economic colonialism. And in many cases one step short of slavery. I might add that the so called US bases in the UK are absolutely huge. The law of the UK has no jurisdiction on them at all for any offence including murder – of which there are plenty. As WW2 ended some time ago it would be very convenient if that armed occupation ceased and they went home. They have now in a few short years totally undermined any argument for moral superiority of any sort. In their contempt for the rights, dignity, and freedom of the individual they are conceptually no different from many of their enemies. And OT: How do you think the the Bush cabal drafted 385 pages of legislation in the Patriot Act in less than 14 days? You need to think about that question.

  32. First of all Root, I have no respect for any government who uses “inbreeding” as a form of keeping themselves in power. The British government (royals) have been scrapping the bottom of the gene pool for many many years now. It’s easy to see and understand why the royals aways have that “blank” look on their faces.

    But deep down they regard anything outside Arkansas, as foreign, alien, unfathomable and a potential enemy.

    Wow root, you sound like a real racist…I only see that kind statement from the racist in my country.

    They tend not to travel in any significant numbers, they are out of touch with global feelings, and they do not care about anything except trade and money.

    You are a racist aren’t you, you keep using “they” alot.

    they do not care about anything except trade and money

    I sure don’t have a hell of a lot of it! All my money goes into taxes and my 85 year old piece of shit house…!

    It is nothing short of economic colonialism. And in many cases one step short of slavery

    That’s a pretty bold statement, England has hundreds, if not thousands of years of slavery in their (your) history.

    this is exactly the point I’ve been trying to make to you guys and girl (I think, nobody uses their real name around here) You’re quick to ridicule one country while at the same time placing yourself high above others, not even talking about what stupidity comes out of your own country. Even Graig, While you seem to be top of the economic game when it comes to wood, you seem to be clueless when it comes to anything else that occurs in Canada. I can’t believe some of the stupid shit that happens there on daily basis. Even today, can you tell me latest news that has come out of Prince William Sound concerning a certain Suicide Call In Center…? jesus h christ! And what about your own government, geez, the corruption is incredible. Your government almost fell apart due to the corruption. Your prime minister even made a “historic” TV appearance to say he was sorry and would get down to the bottom of it. Basically pleading to keep his job. Root, you accuse Americans of not seeing past our borders, well I’m one American who does. I thrive on it. I am very aware of the problems facing this planet, and let me tell you, America should be the least of your worries. Between Radical Islam, Genocide taking place in Darfur,Israel/Palestine, Pakistan/Kashmir/India, Russia and Chechnya, Human Rights abuses in China, North Korea, Africa and The Middle East…America should be the last of your worries. And Graig, Pokémon sux, I mean really…actually, PS2’s suck. I’m PC gamer myself… :-) but use my G4 for recording and imaging!

    “Praise Allah� you say. I guess that means that you believe that Muslims are the enemy of America. So only Christians can be friends with the US? Since when did being Muslim mean that you are a terrorist or that Muslims want Americans to die?

    first of all, I believe “all” organized religions are the root (no pun intended) problem on this planet. For some reason, people need to be reminded every 7 days or every other hour that there is a God. God is something humans can’t and will never be able to comprehend. I believe in God and I’m a very spiritual person, but don’t need to be reminded that he or she is there. I think organized religion is for the weak who need a quick fix. As for your Terrorist/Muslim remark…What would you say is the percentage of terrorist activities being carried out by Muslims…? 90%, 95%, 99.9999% ? And considering the fact that muslims are blowing themselves up to kill American Troops, Flying Planes into buildings, blowing themselves up to kill Jews, blowing themselves up to kill innocents (including children), beheading innocents. I’d say they are making a pretty good case for wanting to kill Americans and any infidel who doesn’t believe as they do. Remember, Radical Islamic wack jobs hold very long grudges, those little things called “The Crusades” that Europe carried out for hundreds of years, well they don’t forget little things like that very easily. So, the next time you want to blame America for pissing them off, remember one thing, they where already pissed. It’s deep seeded hate that started thousands of years ago. Anyway, If you would like to get to know the “American” who came along to stir up the nest a little, feel free to check out my site: http://www.jeffswanson.com

  33. See. Told you he was stupid. He doesn’t even have a clue about how the British Government works.

    As I said to you guys, not all of us Americans are this stupid or uneducated. Just let him foam at the mouth on his own. Its more amusing to watch him show is limited knowledge and apparently hit the scratch on his record where he repeats the same thing over and over.

    *sigh* He’s the reason why my only answer this days is to shrug and and “Not all of us Americans are like this”.

    Because we aren’t. I can’t say that there less and less of us becoming this way as that the breeding of morons is rewarded in my country, just as in your… but we also reward those who are not on the dole who breed beyond their means, and we are doing everything in power to basically make women breeding sows again. But I don’t know, maybe water will find its own level and things will get such shit that the next election (if we are still around) these types will be locked out again… at least for another 8 years.

    Unless figure out a way to keep the American public in fear and ignorance. (IE why they don’t want education to be important when they say they do… and they are more worried about if an athlete is taking steroids as opposed to if American school children educational scores are on par with the best in the world.)

    There is a reason why a lot of Asians have stopped coming to the US for Uni- and that has nothing to do with terrorism.

    My dear- China and India are just waiting for the rest of the western and Middle Eastern world to implode. That way we can make little plastic thing that say “made in the US or UK to them.”

    As I said, everything is cyclical.

  34. As I said to you guys, not all of us Americans are this stupid or uneducated.

    I agree totally. I personally know and respect a lot of Americans. I sit and have coffee every day with people whom I would lump into the moron category, and they are Canadians, so ignorance knows no borders.

  35. As I said to you guys, not all of us Americans are this stupid or uneducated.

    Tek – I totally agree and it was never the point of this post to insult all Americans. I find your comments here – and your site – constructive and insightful. (And I do like your site !)

  36. See. Told you he was stupid. He doesn’t even have a clue about how the British Government works.

    Tek, I’m fully aware about how the British government works, asshole. As for you, you are the reason why the US in split in half. Well, dipshit, I’m part of the majority in this country. If you don’t like it, then get the hell out and move to a socialist country. Do us all (Americans) a favor, get the fuck out. I’m sure Graig would take you in, you guys can sit around and drink coffee and talk about the lumber industry or how you can wipe out a whole species of seals. Or better yet, start a revolution and change the way things are. But that would never happen, because people like you are just pussies who just like to bitch and whine…

    He’s the reason why my only answer this days is to shrug and and “Not all of us Americans are like this

    According to the last election, 59,834,866 are…So fuck off. I’ve tried being nice and discuss views you, but obviously I’m dealing with teenagers who don’t know how to debate anything without cutting someone down. You aren’t mature enough to actually debate an issue, and you call my intelligence into question…? And you wonder why your side (liberals)keep losing elections in the US. Not just the last election, but for the last 10 years! The cap keeps widening, it’s not going the other way asshole.

    but we also reward those who are not on the dole who breed beyond their means, and we are doing everything in power to basically make women breeding sows again

    didn’t Hitler say the same thing? That one statement says it all, Tek. I’m dealing with a bunch racist pigs on this site.

  37. One of this mad ranters fundamental misconceptions is that everyone who does not agree with him, and everything that lies offshore to the US must be socialist. See what I mean? But now I have seen his blog (distant universes spinning etc) I understand. He is an alien. One of the many who have landed in America apparently, and are now disguised as Elvis and are stalking in the malls. That has got to be it.

  38. wow, such love and tolerence…you represent your kind so well

    Tek, remember one thing…people like me, will always out number people like you :-)

    and root, now your ditching my site…? I’m a Musician and get paid for it, I also do Astronomy related research at a local Observatory, and get paid for it. My education is in Music/Music Theory and Astronomy. That is what I do for a living, and you cut me down for that…simply incredible.

    and by the way…

    Karma man, just remember Karma. Treat things nice and nice things happen to you.

    do you idiots even know what Karma is…? Because if you truly believe in it, then all of you will be experiencing some fucked up shit pretty soon.

    oh and Craig, the only head that is up an ass is yours, I suggest you focus on your country’s problems for a change. Remember this:

    Save a Seal, Club a Canadian

  39. Well yes Jeff… there ARE more COCKroaches than there are humans- so your “there is more of me than there are of you” really isn’t impressive. Remember, the lower the brain development of the the life from, the more they have to breed as that their inherent stupidity kills many of them off from the get go.

    Shame it didn’t happen in your case. But thank god you have given the me the motivation to march my lazy liberal ass in the next “Keep Abortion Legal” parade/festival/wine tasting and tea sipping event.

    You’ve inspired me out of my apathy after all. Thank you!

  40. One of this mad ranters fundamental misconceptions is that everyone who does not agree with him, and everything that lies offshore to the US must be socialist.

    Well root, according to what you have written, you view Americans in certain light…

    But deep down they regard anything outside Arkansas, as foreign, alien, unfathomable and a potential enemy.

    So I can’t view you in certain light…?

    and then there is this…

    And I would rather that a thousand dictators remained in power than we have our freedoms, the rule of law, respect for diversity, and a million other notions get damaged by a Government run amok.

    You are preaching about what is known as Libertarian Socialism. Which I’m sorry, it is far worse then plain old Socialism.

    respect for diversity

    Like your showing me…? Again, it’s called Libertarian Socialism, look it up.

  41. respect for diversity…?

    Was just trying to prove a point root…that you don’t practice what you preach. You’re only tolerant with someone who only shares your views. Everyone else in an idiot. True Diversity.

    And Tek, I just checked out your site, it’s pretty cool. I understand you a little better now I think…

  42. Jeff,
    I’m going to type this really slow so you can keep up…
    I do focus on the problems in my country, which are many and varied. A lot of them are caused by your country. I also know that there is a big world beyond the borders of my country. Hell, I can even point out my country on a map…can you?

    Save a Seal, Club a Canadian

    That’s actually damn funny! I think I’m going to print up a million t-shirts with that and make a mint!

    You’re only tolerant with someone who only shares your views. Everyone else in an idiot. True Diversity.

    Hmm…that’s really strange that you say this, given your hostility towards other people participating in this discussion, or were you actually talking about yourself when you wrote that?

  43. Hmm…that’s really strange that you say this, given your hostility towards other people participating in this discussion, or were you actually talking about yourself when you wrote that?

    My hostility comes from stumbling on to a site only to see people bashing my country and when I think I can actually discuss my views to get answers from people for whom I disagree with, to try and understand where they’re coming from…, I’m cut down, called an idiot, moron, etc.

    Hell, I can even point out my country on a map…can you?

    See, comments like that. True Diversity

  44. Well, we call them as we see ’em, Jeff. Notice how Tek responded to Mark regarding her desire not to be painted with the “all Americans are ignorant” brush, to which Mark responded in kind. Your first comment was “You would make Osama Bin Laden and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi proud Mark…” so YOU set the adversarial tone, dude.

    Contrast your approach to disagreeing with Mark to Tek’s approach. Therein lies the difference. Tek simply stated her desire to not be lumped in with a certain portion of the US population, while you claimed that Mark’s remarks would make terrorists rub their hands in glee.

  45. In so many ways you illustrate what is wrong with Hicksville, USA

    I knew it. We should never have given the USA its independence.

    Americans suck. Kill them all.

    That was the response after just leaving 1 comment.

    After comment number 2….

    I don’t exactly like nor agree what Mark is saying but you really are coming off and a “Yeeee Haw!!� Yankee twat.

    Jeff first up I dont give a f*** about your grandfather.

    That set the tone for me.

    The last quote was the icing on the cake for me, I actually fell into the “liberal” trap of trying to further push my views on someone. Which is usually something I never do. But when someone goes as low as to disrespect the dead and a dead relative to boot, oh well, the gloves will always come off.

    Mark’s remarks would make terrorists rub their hands in glee.

    Well, they would. :-) but then again, Mark is part of the western culture and would his lose head just as quick. There was a really good documentary on a few weeks ago called “Terror’s Children” If you ever get the chance to see it, definitely check it out. It’s a Discovery/NYTimes channel documentary….. Oh, but do you have Televisions in Canada…? :wink: got ‘cha!

  46. I dont disrespect the dead. But it is cheap to bolster your pathetic arguments by mentioning ancient deceased relatives. It doesnt make what you say any wiser, or better argued. Nor does the sacrifice of previous generations entitle you to behave like a facist now. The earlier generations who died preserving the freedoms of individuals and establishing the sanctity of sovereign states must be turning in their graves. And many of us did not have just one obscure great uncle killed some time back. Many Britons had half their families slaughtered in WW1 before the US even got started, and many of the generation that survived were taken out by WW2. The day you step up to the plate and serve your country, people might pay more attention. Instead you are trying to cloak your specious argument with sanctimonious tear jerking references to your family. That sucks. Beam me up Scottie. I am done.

  47. Jeff first up I dont give a f*** about your grandfather

    root, that is disrespect. It also shows your true self.

    Here’s another example of your disrespect for the dead…

    OK, A couple of planes crashed

    That one speaks for itself. (and labeling the Taliban a democracy speaks volumes of your own intelligence, the lack of. But then again, you said that you favor a thousand dictatorships)

    But now I have seen his blog (distant universes spinning etc) I understand. He is an alien.

    pathetic arguments

    behave like a facist

    root, is that the True Diversity you speak of…?

    I believe my point has been made with you. In your mind I may be a fascist, but in my mind, your a sad hypocrite. It’s really easy to see through the bullshit when it comes to people like you. It’s sad really…

    The day you step up to the plate and serve your country

    I serve my country everyday, through volunteer work and through my job, etc. And your right about one thing…I’m done as well. Don’t need Scottie to beam me up, I’ve got my own ride!

  48. jeff, while I agree and also disagree with alot of what you have to say. I commend you for sticking to your opinions and not wavering while being surrounded by a pack of lions. You surely have bigger balls then most. I pride myself for my liberal beliefs, but people like the ones you’re trying to make a point to and share your views with give us all a bad rap. They represent the Howard Dean’s and Ted Kennedy’s of the left.

  49. Well there are many young reservists sweating their butts off in flea ridden accomodation and dodging the incoming in downtown Baghdad right now who would love the opportunity to serve their country right back where they started – doing their day jobs in the US. Supporting – in every sense – a war – and to do so uncritically is an abdication of democracy. And what most young and frightened soldiers on combat operations are silently praying for is a safe and expeditious return to the bosom of their family. While about half the population is shouting *hoyaaaaaaaa we are kicking butt* – or some such nonsense that is never going to happen. And what we really resent is that Chav Blair has dragged us right into this quagmire right alongside you.

    @Mark: I have developed a fatal obsession with this thread. Could you put a shortcut on the front page please?

  50. I have a solution to all this.

    1) Shut down Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib.
    2) Take all prisoners from Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib and give them an identifying tattoo somewhere visible (maybe the words “Al Queida” on their foreheads).
    3) Give them all a copy of the Quaran and an AK-47.
    4) Drop them off on the outskirts of Baghdad.
    5) Tell all coalation troops that anyone with the identifying tattoo has had their chance and to take no prisoners.

    What does this do?

    A) Shuts down Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib. (will make lefties happy)
    B) Frees prisoners and gives them a fighting chance to gun down/blow up more US troops and Iraqi innocents (should make lefties happy)
    C) Frees up more money to be used to give troops more armor and better weapons (probably won’t make lefties happy)
    D) Gives troops an opportunity to take these scumbags out like should have been done in the first place (definitely will not make lefties happy)

    Oh well. Two out of four ain’t bad. :D

  51. Thanks Mike!

    At least Jeff was not anonymous:

    mike (IP: 66.147.86.69 , nsc66.147.86-69.newsouth.net)

    Pod, really not quite sure what your getting at on that one…?

    but my IP address is: 65.188.197.165 from triad.rr.com

  52. And what most young and frightened soldiers on combat operations are silently praying for is a safe and expeditious return to the bosom of their family.

    And what you have no glue about is that the men and women that you are referring to all volunteered for what they are doing and they all know exactly what they signed up for. Yes they want to be home, and we all want them home. This isn’t fucking Vietnam though, they weren’t drafted. When their tour of duty is over they have a choice – re-enlist or come home, and guess what…..most re-enlist. But they have a choice! This is why we have the strongest military on the planet! They do it with pride and honor. I have a student who will be leaving for Iraq in 3 weeks. He wasn’t drafted, nobody told him to go, no peer pressure. He’s going there because he says that he wants to help the Iraqi people. That being said, I have more respect for them than any other human on this planet. He doing far more to help the humanrace than me and you put together (x) a million!

    Of course, I have to remind myself that I’m discussing an issue with someone who believes the Taliban is was a democracy.

  53. Jeff, my good friend, you are trying to be reasonable with unreasonable people. Their sheer hatred of anything USA (especially GWB) blinds them from an objective approach to anything. For them, looking through their Lenin glasses, where the USA is the Main Adversary, anything the USA does in its interests is “undemocratic.” Be it not signing over our judicial system to dictatorial regimes through the ICJ, or not crippling our economy by signing the Kyoto Treaty, or by removing dictators from power and killing terrorists. It’s all bad, all of it.

    Well, if anything goes to prove these communists hate the “democracy” they love to espouse it’s their relentless cries that we shouldn’t force democracy on anyone. After all, goes communist thinking, democracy is only for us elites and not for the average Iraqis or Afghanis. If they want democracy so bad, then they should somehow overthrow a police-state regime that controls the populace through fear, intimidation, and promise of death. Correct me if I’m wrong, my communist friends, I never heard of a single story from Afghanistan’s or Iraq’s elections in which a citizen said he/she was forced by US troops to vote. Ever. Oh sure, I have no doubt Indymedia fabricated some stories along these lines, but from the Big Media? No, not even the communists in the Big Media could bring themselves to fabricate a story like that.

    It’s unfortunate that terrorists now have legal representation down there in Gitmo. It’s a sign that the US military (and the administration) has been wussified by the ACLU and other pro-terrorist, anti-USA organizations. I don’t believe I ever heard of Japanese or German POWs getting legal advice while in US camps, have I? Allied troops certainly didn’t get that kind of treatment while in German camps. No, they were starved and tortured. Same goes for US POWs in Chinese and North Korean (your best friends!) camps during the Korean War. Oh, and it happened again during the Vietnam War (great friends of the commies here). Where were the ACLU lawyers when Shoshana Johnson, Jessica Lynch, Keith Maupin, Edgar Hernandez, Joseph Hudson, Patrick Miller, James Riley, David Williams, and Ronald Young were taken as POWs? Well, the ACLU sure wasn’t concerned about their “rights” when they were captured and paraded around on TV (which is direct violation of the Geneva Conventions, I might add). But oh how the ACLU and their communist cohorts (that’s you all) worries themselves into panic attacks when one terrorist down in Gitmo has his radio turned up too loud.

    It’s a sad world in which the benefit of the doubt is given to Islamofascist head-choppers and not a free nation like the USA.

  54. Their sheer hatred of anything USA (especially GWB) blinds them from an objective approach to anything. For them, looking through their Lenin glasses,

    But oh how the ACLU and their communist cohorts (that’s you all)

    McCarthyism is alive and well!

  55. McCarthyism is alive and well!

    Rob – See, you always reactions like this here…Notice you never get discussion, only cut down. Just wait until root kicks her 3 cents into the bucket…

    On different topic, go check out Teks site…She’s the innocent bystander who actually has a sense of humor. She can’t stand “my kind”, but she’s still pretty darn cute! darn

  56. I am not going to get into the Genocide of the native Americans. The torture and misery of slavery. The institutionalised racism which only ended quite recently. And I am not going to mention the 300,000 German POWs who died after they were captured by the US at the end of WW2. This thread isnt funny any more. You are a bunch of sicko jerk offs.

  57. Who said this thread was funny? I thought it was serious, that’s why I replied. Your side, the communist side, has murdered over 100 million people worldwide and continues to murder, imprison, and wrongly accuse (see Cuba, North Korea, China, Burma, Vietnam, Belarus, Russia, and Laos…just to name a few). Why can’t you “liberals” celebrate freedom when it is gained across the world. Freedom from fascism was gained in Europe and you all celebrate it constantly(since it wasn’t freedom from loving communism, but eeeeevil fascism), why not celebrate freedom in Iraq or Afghanistan? Do those people not deserve freedom from tyranny also? The reason is simple of course, their freedom is a direct result of US and allied intervention and you can’t stand it. It burns you up inside with seething rage that anything good could come from US actions.

    I never said the US was perfect, but it is far more perfect than any other nation out there. By the way, slavery was not exclusive to the USA. Slavery has existed, and continues to exist, all over the world in every continent. Yes, slavery even existed in your utopia of socialism, Europe, at one time. Gasp!

  58. Who said this thread was funny? I thought it was serious, that’s why I replied.

    Actually its now a right bore. Need to unsubscribe. I used to debate this stuff years ago until I learned that it really is a pointless debate. If you aren’t sure and have the ability to be swayed, then you’ll sit back and say nothing. The people who take the time to swedge over issues such as these are the ones so ingrained in their opinion that they are so busy trying to slam it into the head of the opposition that they have forgotten to listen and perhaps learn something new.

    So now its more fun to run naked. It doesn’t matter what I say/think/do- the world is going to do whatever the richest and most powerful want it to do.

    In the meantime, ice cream is yummy. Esp for breakfast. You might get blown up by an arab for dinner and never get any ice cream! Why follow convention? Ice cream for breakfast, I say… (but in moderation!)

  59. Yes, running naked is fun. I’d join you but I must get going to run some errands. Stupid errands! Although I agree with you that ice cream is tasty, I can’t go along with you to have it for breakfast. But then again, an Arab could murder me, so I think I’ll take your advice now and have some chocolate ice cream before I run my errands. Good idea! Thanks, Tek. By the way, I see your butt!

  60. I am not going to get into the Genocide of the native Americans. The torture and misery of slavery. The institutionalised racism which only ended quite recently. And I am not going to mention the 300,000 German POWs who died after they were captured by the US at the end of WW2

    good points rob –

    See, notice root didn’t mention anything about the 6 million Jews that were slaughtered. Or the 1 million Russians that were killed, I won’t even mention the totals of English, American, Polish, Canandian,etc….A rough estimate of the lives lost in that war were around 10 million, Again, she’s concerned about the Nazi’s who started it all.

    So let me get this straight root…You believe that the Taliban was a true democracy and now you’re a Nazi sympathizer. Your family is French isn’t it. That would explain everything.

    I am not going to get into the Genocide of the native Americans

    That was terrible, my great-grandmother was Cherokee Indian, (oops, sorry root, I didn’t mean to mention something about my family to try and get you produce tears, but we here in America are mixture of nationality’s) but notice she didn’t say anything about England slaughtering it’s neighbors throughout it’s long history. But then again, I’m not a big fan of the French myself, so good for you Red Coats!

    The institutionalised racism which only ended quite recently

    no root, it hasn’t ended. Which truley a shame. I had a black boy (teenager) tell me about 6 months ago that he hated white people. I asked him why and his reply was…just because you’re white mother fucker. So there you go.

    Oh, I’m eating Ben & Jerry’s Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough ice cream as I write this…Naked…well, I’ve got socks on :-)

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